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[Licentia]

Poor Licentia, Poor Licentia,....And He was so proud of that system, that it just breaks my heart, that Sonny came along and destroyed his dreams of someday becoming a millionaire, by locking the thread. I dont think he'll ever be back.

Unfortunately sonny locked his/her thread and he/she hasnt been back since. :laugh:

I want to respond to these comments above.

I haven't been in the BJInfo forums since last November because I have been interested in spiritual matters more than in debating gambling strategy.

Regardless, I can admit my errors. I don't lie, I never have lied on here as best as I remember. The 6/49 strategy was stupid, plain and simple. I put no serious thought into it at all. I just had too much time on my hands. The Roulette system didn't work either, though I made a big to-do that it did. I found an error in my QuickBasic code after I said that it worked.

Everything I have ever claimed on here to work I have found has not worked, save for my 1st BlackJack strategy that I posted in depth in 2007. That I maintain to this day works just as I said, as well as in slightly modified forms I have tested, it works as well.

I just decided to have a look on here tonight for old times sake, and when I did a search for my name, I saw the above comments.

Licentia

 

[Mr. T]

OMG, he is back. Now where is Sonny.

 

[shadroch]

If he came back to admit he was wrong, he's a better man than many of you gave him credit for.

 

[jack.jackson]

I want to respond to these comments above.

I haven't been in the BJInfo forums since last November because I have been interested in spiritual matters more than in debating gambling strategy.

Regardless, I can admit my errors. I don't lie, I never have lied on here as best as I remember. The 6/49 strategy was stupid, plain and simple. I put no serious thought into it at all. I just had too much time on my hands. The Roulette system didn't work either, though I made a big to-do that it did. I found an error in my QuickBasic code after I said that it worked.

Everything I have ever claimed on here to work I have found has not worked, save for my 1st BlackJack strategy that I posted in depth in 2007. That I maintain to this day works just as I said, as well as in slightly modified forms I have tested, it works as well.

I just decided to have a look on here tonight for old times sake, and when I did a search for my name, I saw the above comments.

Licentia

Werent you the one that was planning on making a video of your strategy?

Ya, Sonnys not one for voodoo, on his boards. He'll lock that sucker up, faster than you can say "holy mother of mary."

Anyway good luck on your "spiritual journey." I'll be looking forward to your next system. Make sure you put it, in the VD forum.

 

[Sonny]

I agree with shadroch, but confession does not always absolve the sin. Around here the only way to be forgiven is to learn from your mistakes. Tough love.

-Sonny-

 

[hawkeye]

I just read through that older post that wsa locked, the one on the BJ strategy. Awesome, just awesome.

How's that working out man?

 

[shadroch]

I agree with shadroch, but confession does not always absolve the sin. Around here the only way to be forgiven is to learn from your mistakes.



Or to turn Sonny on to an EV+ game he wasn't aware of.

 

[Katweezel]

Alter ego?

I want to respond to these comments above.

I haven't been in the BJInfo forums since last November because I have been interested in spiritual matters more than in debating gambling strategy.

Regardless, I can admit my errors. I don't lie, I never have lied on here as best as I remember. The 6/49 strategy was stupid, plain and simple. I put no serious thought into it at all. I just had too much time on my hands. The Roulette system didn't work either, though I made a big to-do that it did. I found an error in my QuickBasic code after I said that it worked.

Everything I have ever claimed on here to work I have found has not worked, save for my 1st BlackJack strategy that I posted in depth in 2007. That I maintain to this day works just as I said, as well as in slightly modified forms I have tested, it works as well.

I just decided to have a look on here tonight for old times sake, and when I did a search for my name, I saw the above comments.

Licentia

L, One or two here may have suspected that you may really have been an Ion Saliu fake ID here, at some point. Can you confirm that you have always been yourself, you are now, you will be, and that you were never the said... errr, miscreant? :cat:

 

[sagefr0g]

L, One or two here may have suspected that you may really have been an Ion Saliu fake ID here, at some point. Can you confirm that you have always been yourself, you are now, you will be, and that you were never the said... errr, miscreant? :cat:

lol, :devil::whip:

 

[Licentia]

L, One or two here may have suspected that you may really have been an Ion Saliu fake ID here, at some point. Can you confirm that you have always been yourself, you are now, you will be, and that you were never the said... errr, miscreant? :cat:

Nope, I am no math mind like Saliu. I am not good with numbers, nor do I care to be or claim to be. I was just playing around on a BlackJack game trying different things, and found something that just wouldn't lose. Tested it and tested it for 100's of thousands of hands and it still has never failed me.

Licentia

 

[Sonny]

Tested it and tested it for 100's of thousands of hands and it still has never failed me.

And I tested it for 150,000,000 hands and showed you the losing results. You forgot to mention that part.

-Sonny-

 

[Licentia]

And I tested it for 150,000,000 hands and showed you the losing results. You forgot to mention that part.

-Sonny-

And I told you that you didn't follow my instructions properly.

When the Federal Reserve bank creates money out of thin air, does it work for the USA economy? Neither does picking target numbers out of thin air work when testing a system. Currency should be based upon Gold and Silver so it has real lasting value. So too should a system be tested exactly according to it's discovered methods.

Let me see... I'll set the goal to be $500 and the failure point to be $3000 down. Oops, it failed, must not work... Let's try again... Goal: $1000, failure point $750 down, nope, doesn't work!

Let me test card-counting without resetting my count at the end of the shoe. Doesn't work! Card-counting doesn't work! I have proof!

Licentia

 

[Sonny]

And I told you that you didn't follow my instructions properly.

And I explained to you exactly why it still doesn't work under any set of instructions. The goal is irrelevent if the system is flawed in the first place. Please do not waste any more time on this topic. My original response is below and that will be the end of it.

This part is not at all in my system and definitely will give failed results. There is no goal of $500 + $2000 ($2500) or
any sum above where you began. Your goal is only to get back where you started, to $2000.

That doesn’t make a difference. Your goal can be whatever you want but the overall results will be exactly the same. There are a few threads that explain why things like quit points, stop-loss and stop-win limits do not affect the results. Think of it like reading a book – it doesn’t matter when you start/stop reading, the ending will always be the same. You can stop at the end of each chapter, you can read a certain number of pages every day, you can stop every time you read the word “the” or any other arbitrary point. It doesn’t matter how you separate your reading sessions, the ending is always the same.

 

[shadroch]

Deja Vu, all over again.

 

[Kasi]

The goal is irrelevent if the system is flawed in the first place. Please do not waste any more time on this topic.

First of all, I just can't see how a "voodoo" post ever qualifies for locking the thread. Might as well delete the whole voodoo section since by definition voodoo pretty much means somehow beating what can't really be beaten.

Second of all, even if a system is flawed in the first place which, by definition it basically is, to say the goal is irrelevant seems to miss the point of voodoo in the first place. The point being voodoo can maybe achieve a goal alot more often than maybe other ways of betting as you know lol.

So what if Licentia wants to say he has some system and you want to say he's doomed to failure if he plays 150,000,000 hands or whatever. So what if he says it will work forever. As long as he's not selling it, who cares what he may think.

Maybe he's only said his system has worked for a couple hundred thousand hands. Or systems lol. Or whatever.

Can you say his system is doomed to not succeed in 100,000 hands?

But mostly, I guess I just don't get the point of locking a voodoo thread. For the most part anyway I guess. Maybe your reasons were based on something more in this case?

Eventually it'll probably just die off eventually anyway when no one any longer wants to make a point or argue about it anymore lol.

Most AP's get their play of BJ locked by a casino and some may even be proud thay are such a good player the casino had to lock them out.

So Congratulations Licentia. Hold your head high. You must be some kind of Special Voodoo player to get locked out of a voodoo thread if you ask me

 

[Katweezel]

Peep glasses

First of all, I just can't see how a "voodoo" post ever qualifies for locking the thread. Might as well delete the whole voodoo section since by definition voodoo pretty much means somehow beating what can't really be beaten.

Second of all, even if a system is flawed in the first place which, by definition it basically is, to say the goal is irrelevant seems to miss the point of voodoo in the first place. The point being voodoo can maybe achieve a goal alot more often than maybe other ways of betting as you know lol.

So what if Licentia wants to say he has some system and you want to say he's doomed to failure if he plays 150,000,000 hands or whatever. So what if he says it will work forever. As long as he's not selling it, who cares what he may think.

Maybe he's only said his system has worked for a couple hundred thousand hands. Or systems lol. Or whatever.

Can you say his system is doomed to not succeed in 100,000 hands?

But mostly, I guess I just don't get the point of locking a voodoo thread. For the most part anyway I guess. Maybe your reasons were based on something more in this case?

Eventually it'll probably just die off eventually anyway when no one any longer wants to make a point or argue about it anymore lol.

Most AP's get their play of BJ locked by a casino and some may even be proud thay are such a good player the casino had to lock them out.

So Congratulations Licentia. Hold your head high. You must be some kind of Special Voodoo player to get locked out of a voodoo thread if you ask me

Good, encouraging post, K... one that could encourage more voodooers to have the courage to put something up here, without being afraid of being howled out the back door. Good for you Licentia, for your courage and persistence, which give you points whatever the outcome. Great to have a forum like this where stuff like this can happen. Thanks be to Ken and errr, yep Sonny as well for his interest, and his experienced and expertised input.

I just received a new shipment. Hole card glasses. Only $497 per pair, plus P&H. Oh did I say they can see through? While stocks last. Only on a voodoo board. :cat:

 

[Sonny]

So Congratulations Licentia. Hold your head high. You must be some kind of Special Voodoo player to get locked out of a voodoo thread if you ask me

Yes, Licentia is one of the Special Voodoo masters, on par with the late, great Cipher.

Eventually it'll probably just die off eventually anyway when no one any longer wants to make a point or argue about it anymore lol.

If that was the case then I wouldn’t need to lock the thread. However this topic has been going on for almost 2 years now. Licentia has made almost 300 posts and private messages, all of which suffer from exactly the same mistake. No matter how many times we carefully explain that mistake, give specific details about why it fails and how to fix it, and give links to articles that give further information, she always comes back with the same mistake and claims that her progression system will beat the house’s advantage. Clearly she does not intend to learn anything and she is not willing to have an intelligent discussion about her system. She doesn’t want to participate, she just wants to talk without listening to anyone else. That is the reason I have locked her threads in the past. There is no point in letting someone repeat the same mistake hundreds of times when they obviously are not interested in fixing it, listening to any criticism or learning about what they are doing. If it continues I may have to ban her.

If any of our non-troll members would like to discuss her system I would gladly allow it, but I think everyone who read her posts has already made comments and they have all been ignored.

-Sonny-

 

[Kasi]

I just received a new shipment. Hole card glasses. Only $497 per pair, plus P&H. Oh did I say they can see through? While stocks last. Only on a voodoo board. :cat:

See, voodoo guys are so smart they don't need the hole-card x-ray glasses and won't buy them because they have their voodoo that don't depend on Western medicine (AP nonsense) anyway lol.

Offer them on Card-Counting and a hundred AP's will buy them knowing an advantage when they hear about it lol.

Do these glasses work better than the X-ray ones I got when I was 8 from the back of a comic book to see thru women's clothes or do they only work for dealer hole-cards?

Well, obviously, they'd cost alot more if they could see thru women's clothes so that was a stupid question lol.

Sorry, I meant women's or men's clothes lol.

Would you think sales would be equally split between female and male buyers in that case lol?

OMG, and this is my first post tonite and already I'm making no sense lol.

It may not be apparent with all the other "AP" cr*p I talk about but, believe it or not, in case you haven't noticed, I'm much more interested in alot of ways in Voodoo than card-counting.

I don't play enough to make card-counting worthwhile to me and so play merely to achieve modest goals, goals exceeding the -EV I'd expect, in short-periods of times. Hoping to achieve these modest goals a high percentage of the time with so much starting roll etc.

Unfortunately, I lack the expertise to run simulations on various ways of betting. I have vague ideas of how often maybe one can come out, say, at least a half-unit ahead in how long flat-betting and voodoo it from there lol.

Although, even voodoo, to me, like card-counting, does require the "system" to be pretty well-defined lol.

To me, we are maybe lucky here to even be able to explore betting systems (called voodoo if not based on card-counting but "AP" if counting. Steering, shuffle-tracking, maybe beating ASM machines, CSM machines, or baccarat or VP or side-bets, dice control etc, including or not comps, considered maybe maybe a level above "voodoo" even though, perhaps, with equally little support for any "math" proofs,) since like, say, on Don's site, the entire subject is banned. I think lol.

 

[Katweezel]

Deja Vu

Deja Vu, all over again.

Yogi Berra wants to have a chat with you about copyrighted quotes. :cat:

 

[Kasi]

Yes, Licentia is one of the Special Voodoo masters, on par with the late, great Cipher.

If that was the case then I wouldn’t need to lock the thread. However this topic has been going on for almost 2 years now. Licentia has made almost 300 posts and private messages, all of which suffer from exactly the same mistake. No matter how many times we carefully explain that mistake, give specific details about why it fails and how to fix it, and give links to articles that give further information, she always comes back with the same mistake and claims that her progression system will beat the house’s advantage. Clearly she does not intend to learn anything and she is not willing to have an intelligent discussion about her system. She doesn’t want to participate, she just wants to talk without listening to anyone else. That is the reason I have locked her threads in the past. There is no point in letting someone repeat the same mistake hundreds of times when they obviously are not interested in fixing it, listening to any criticism or learning about what they are doing. If it continues I may have to ban her.

If any of our non-troll members would like to discuss her system I would gladly allow it, but I think everyone who read her posts has already made comments and they have all been ignored.

-Sonny-

Thanks Sonny. Just a few comments.

Cipher actively solicited peoples' money so he could play his "system" with their money.

I wasn't aware that Licentia was soliciting, if she was. I had thought, perhaps in error, she only wanted people's opinions on her "system"(s).

Compared to how often Cipher changed his "system", compared to how often Licentia changed her various ideas on her systems, at least as I recall, makes it ridiculous to even compare. Licentia just tweaked, Cipher, if he lost, was more like "you can't do that on a Tuesday". Cipher spread over 700-1. No wonder he often finished ahead.

Licentia, as far as I know hasn't stolen anyone's money. You really think it's fair to compare them?

Even if they both, genuinely or not, believe they have some system that will overcome the house edge and win money forever?

Is Cipher banned?

Are you saying her mistake is believing her "system"(s) overcomes the house edge just because maybe it actually has for a couple hundred thousand hands? Can you blame her?

Is she to be condemned more for believing that while, perhaps, some "AP"'s play with inadequate rolls, bet, sometimes it seems maybe anyway, more or less changing max bets on the fly sometimes, achieve either impossible favorable results included in which seems to sometimes be poker winnings, slot winnings, etc, had they been counting but are yet still hailed as a successful counter or impossible unfavorable results that are then dismissed as a little bad luck.

Maybe you say she doesn't want to participate or listen to other people, although here she is anyway forced to start a new thread , maybe you have more clairvoyance than I do becasue I simply cannot read her "intent" to learn something or not, and maybe you overrate her intelligence on continuing a discussion lol.

Maybe she wants more than a billion billion sim apparently proving a -EV game is a -EV game for the first billion billion hands lol. Maybe she believes your sim did not apply her "system" properly.

Maybe, it's even more important in Voodoo to let someone repeat the same mistake hundreds of times so they do grasp the point it won't last forever.

What, there's some 2-year time limit on being stupid here? Is that only for Voodoo?

But, I don't know about Private messages or what you have endured etc.

I think I remember reading her posts, with lots of changes to her "system" and just never pursued either sending her 100,000 w/l/t results I already have to more "scientifically", if that term applies in voodoo, to her own system or getting enough specific rules to satisfy myself exactly what the "rules" of her system is and playing a few thousand mock hands myself with it for the fun of it. I actually sometimes do that stupid sh*t believe it or not just to see what happens and because the Nazis took the internet away from me.

I'd bet anyone dollars to doughnuts I could be ahead of EV after 100,000 hands on the internet (-EV) with enough, agreed upon, initial roll.

May not even have been Licentia's posts I'm thinking about lol.

I'm sure it can get frustrating leading horses to water but yet they never drink.

Maybe it's just weird that I have never disagreed with anything technical you have ever said. Even now I don't lol. Unlike Licentia, I happen to agree with your every technical conclusion here and everywhere else lol. You've corrected my sorry as* on many occasions and I thank you.

Whatever lol.

Heck, I'm still trying to understand one single thought FLASH has on ROR lol.

I love him nonetheless though. He doesn't know so don't tell him, lock him, or ban him lmao.

A few days ago I had trouble wrapping my head around locked threads in voodoo now I have to wrap it around being banned for intelligence, time limits in both responding or the lack thereof, etc.

I say let the Voodoo Ploppy play, believe whatever he chooses while doing so, and stop worrying about saving his soul or his money.

Apologies. Really done here. This thread that is lol.