Congrats to Alienated and his BJ21 POM!

CC-Management

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We are honored to know that we have a BJ21 POM winner as part of the CC.COM family. We would be honored if Alienated would post his POM here so we may add it to our Archives. Once again Alienated congrats on a post well written. cc.com management.
 

Adam N. Subtractum

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Congrats Ted & some comments...

I remember recently one of your posts got edged out by BP for a POM, his post must have been excellent to beat out your segment boundry ideas. I'm happy to see you're getting the recognition you most certainly deserve.

On another note, while I understand everyone wanting to have the post available here, some discretion is always necessary when exposing advanced techniques such as the NRS formula. The fact is, a small percentage of players can actually make use of the techniques necessary to implement the formula anyway, and most of those who can are already aware of the methodology. Another fact is that casino personnel are oblivious to NRS, and to a lesser extent ST itself. I say this in light of comments I've heard from surveillance personnel, namely DV Cellini, as well as several PC's. As an aspiring ST'er I just feel there is too much at stake to expose any more information on the topic than is necessary. Those who are truly interested and capable will find all they need in the BJM archives, though it will take an IQ significantly higher than that of your average PC or Eyeman to understand it (that's the idea).

This just my opinion, normally I am all for the whole "the info wants to be free" thing as zg has expressed before, but my point is even if 10% of readers understood the methodology, and 10% of those could actually implement it in the real world, that would total 1% who would actually benefit from it (that's probably a high estimate) compared to the significant percentage of serious players who stand to be adversely affected by such exposures. As I said, JMO for this particular topic.

ANS
 

alienated

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Thank you for the kind words.

I would prefer not to make a duplicate post in this case, partly as a matter of internet etiquette. It is my understanding that I am perfectly free to repost elsewhere if I wish, but I feel some obligation to any member who may have subjected my post to a careful reading on the implicit understanding that it would not be receiving similar attention elsewhere and potentially consuming their valuable time unnecessarily. I also feel that Stanford, in giving the POM award is entitled to some reciprocal benefit, such as it is, in the form of the post being archived at his site. While the monetary value of the POM award may be small, I consider the honor considerable. (Actually, considering the miniscule sales that could be expected from trying to turn ST material into a book, perhaps the monetary reward is more than ample, also. ;-))

I had a couple of reasons for making the post in question at bj21, rather than elsewhere. First, it is a very theoretical post, so either bjmath or bj21's theory page seemed the obvious choices. Since bj21 is one of the main places I have posted (along with CC.com and CCCafe), I considered it to be the logical choice.

Second, because the post grew out of my attempt to answer someone's very insightful question, part of my motivation for posting was to double check that there were no flaws in my reasoning. While I was confident that my working was sound, it reassured me that any serious errors would be picked up by one of the theory experts on that page (some of whom are CCCafe and/or CC.com posters).

I should briefly respond to the well reasoned post of ANS above. To be honest, the sensitivity of the material, IMO, is not really a concern. If I had considered it overly sensitive, I would not have posted it anywhere, since it is really no more secure at bj21 than anywhere else. I may be wrong, but I really do not see how knowledge of the NRS formula can significantly enhance the ability of casino surveillance to identify shuffle trackers. There are certainly ways of detecting shuffle tracking, which I will obviously not go into, but IMO knowledge of the NRS formula does very little to assist this detection. Moreover, my post is simply an extention of the fundamental NRS results that have been in the public domain for quite a long time. I don't think the post adds much from the perspective of those engaged in detection, though hopefully it is of benefit to players. I would, however, be interested to know the opinion of C V Cellini, or other similarly qualified people, on this matter.

I hope my reticence in this instance can be understood.

Regards,
Ted
 

CC-Management

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Message received and understood

Alienated we respect your reasons and appreciate your loyalty to BJ 21 and green chip. We also are green chip members and have access to thier pages. I would behoove any one serious in playing BlackJack to invest in BJ21.com/Green Chip or at Advantage Player.com. A new site also is Arnold Snyders site which is free as is cc.com and has a monthly BJ Magazine; "Blackjack Forum all are serious AP sites dedicated to bettering your game. These sites have produced genius in the works of Card Counting and have provided for a simple system to turn "this thing" we do into a profession for a few and a lucrative hobby for others as well as taking a bite out of the Casino stinger. Alienated we are honored that you post here. Thanks. Management.

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Adam N. Subtractum

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Ted, thanks for sharing your experienced opinion on the subject. As I said, I am only an aspiring ST'er, and I was just leaning towards caution for the benefit of the ST pros.

As for DVC's comments on ST, definitely check out his board at BJFonline. You could just do a quick search for "shuffle tracking". Some pretty good posts, and a couple you'll probably get a kick out of, I sure did.

ANS
 

Rob McGarvey

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This Site

is DEFINITELY under new management. I know the Mayor is not that keen on BJ21, although it does house some of the masterminds like Ted in the GC area. Interesting. I can't wait to see what your hole card is ;>

Where is this months Mayors Podium article??
 

learning to count

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Re: This Site

Hey Rob the Mayor is on green chip all the time. I think he is personal friends with SW too. I think there may be some hostility on the part of his holiness Don S. who from what I can remember has a some beef with the Mayor. As far as the Mayor being anti-site I just have not seen that. Hey I roll with the belief even the ploppies can teach us somthing. So it is better to listen first then calmly debate. I am happy that there seems to be cohesion at this site amongst posters from the big two. "Can't we all just get along" R.KING :)LTC
 

The Mayor

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Re: This Site

I have no problem at all with GC, not one. In fact, I am very fond of the management, and SW, and good friends with many people on the site.

On the other hand, I have no love whatsover for ap.com, for a variety of reasons, but I would never take an action to harm their site, nor publically discuss the events that lead to this situation.

As for my podium, I just need a kick in the pants to write it. Yours is a good one, I'll do so immediately!

--Mayor
 
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