Counters Counter the Discrimination

[the Stealth]

Hey Ya'll:

I think we need a phrase that our community of advantage players can use as their motto to protest the discrimination that we face. How's this?:

"NO GOVERNMENT, CORPORATION, GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL HAS A RIGHT TO IMPOSE A BAN OR RESTRICTIONS ON A PERSON BECAUSE OF THEIR INTELLECTUAL ABILITIES.

Let's pass it around. Maybe sooner or later it will get to somebody powerful in congress who will do something. Comments, revisions or additions encouraged. ???

the "Stealth"

 

[The Mayor]

The Government can't discriminate, at all, under any circumstances ... but they can and do provide "benefits" for "classes" -- e.g. Blacks and Affirmative Action. So, the only way this can work is if we can identify smart people as a protected class. I'm all for it

 

[learning to count]

Hey a private business has a right to bar anyone for "NO" reason from thier establishment. That is law in many states including Nevada. If the casino wants you off the property then they can ask you to leave. If you refuse then they should call the police and make a complaint which will give the police the power to order you to leave. If you refuse then the police can arrest you for trespass. This is law!

So this babble about human and intellectual rights is just that babble. If you can prove that the casino has outed you because of race, creed, sexual preference then have at it hire a lawyer and sue the casino in federal court.

If a casino states "we want you off of our property because you are a counter/advantage player and are winning (legally). They are kicking you out for a reason. This technically they cannot do. Good luck getting the jury to believe that this is a violation of your right to be a gambling degenerate. Unless you can prove that it is a civil rights violation issue you are sinking in quicksand. The only way to be a successful AP is to become an expert at the games.

 

[the Stealth]

LTC, I beg to differ with your opinion. It is a form of discrimination! Why? Because upon entering a casino, there is no disclaimer as to the rules of the B.J. game. Also, all the promos are about winning! That is what players are supposed to try there best to do, isn't it? I've even been challenged by pit staff. Even ridiculed for thinking that their game can be beat. I was once told that I am stupid to even play the game. There is nothing that ever says that we are not allowed to count cards. There is nothing that defines what card counting really is. In fact, I was barred from 3 casinos before I could even count! I looked for good cards (big) and bad cards (little ones). Upped my bets after noticing an unusual amount of bad cards go by (single deck). Even got 86'ed twice while I was loosing.

To change the law though would be like trying to move the Grand Tetons (excuse spelling. I only learned how to add and subtract). Maybe we really don't want to change it. It's never gonna be perfect for us anyway, even if the laws were changed. However, Ken Uston made quite a dent in the way the law reads in N.Jersey. Do the research, check it out.

Personally, I'm certainly not a gambling degenerate. I've got a lot of time and effort logged into getting to the level I am at. Maybe what you mean, a "gambling degenerate" would be the perception of a jury. Yes, that is true.

Stealth

 

[learning to count]

"LTC, I beg to differ with your opinion. It is a form of discrimination! Why? Because upon entering a casino, there is no disclaimer as to the rules of the B.J. game. Also, all the promos are about winning! That is what players are supposed to try there best to do, isn't it? I've even been challenged by pit staff. Even ridiculed for thinking that their game can be beat. I was once told that I am stupid to even play the game. There is nothing that ever says that we are not allowed to count cards. There is nothing that defines what card counting really is. In fact, I was barred from 3 casinos before I could even count! I looked for good cards (big) and bad cards (little ones). Upped my bets after noticing an unusual amount of bad cards go by (single deck). Even got 86'ed twice while I was loosing."

Stealth what I am trying to say that getting kicked out of a casino is by law the casino's right to do. They do not need a reason by law. Nor can they give a reason when doing so. If they have a legitimate reason for removal and trespass it has to be for a violation of a criminal gaming statute. They are allwoed to pck and choose who they want to expell. They need not have a reason. I do agree they are being "discriminatory"; because we all know they dont want winners/advantage players. They still have the right to expell you. This is in reality impossible to change. Sorry but that is the truth.

"To change the law though would be like trying to move the Grand Tetons (excuse spelling. I only learned how to add and subtract). Maybe we really don't want to change it. It's never gonna be perfect for us anyway, even if the laws were changed. However, Ken Uston made quite a dent in the way the law reads in N.Jersey. Do the research, check it out."

I agree but they still have the right to expell you for "no reason" and they went further by making Atlantic City Blackjack a carnival game.

"Personally, I'm certainly not a gambling degenerate. I've got a lot of time and effort logged into getting to the level I am at. Maybe what you mean, a "gambling degenerate" would be the perception of a jury. Yes, that is true."

My position is that the general public considers gambling as entertainment and or a vice. There is little affection for a "professional gambler" who is viewed as a degenerate. Hey I am an advantage player. I have been moderately successful and I am getting better. My aunt is currently trying to get me into Gamblers anonymous. I only play black jack when I have an advantage as well as other lucartive games. I win! She firmly believes I am sick. And yes I meant the juries view unless the jury is made up of Stanford wong, The Mayor, Arnold Snyder, Don Schlesinger, Las Vegas Bear, Anthony Curtis, ETC. Then maybe you will have a chance. LTC

"Stealth "