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I have decided to broaden my horizons and try some new casino games outside of baccarat, and blackjack. I came across this site beatcasinocraps.com, has anybody has any experience with this system? The seller says that it is built around a safe and simple bet. The price does not look too bad and I am considering buying it, but I want to know if anybody has had any sort of experience with it before I do so. I contacted him and he said that he has a unique way of viewing the craps table which allows the bet to work. If I can get into the casino, make a couple of units and get out on a consistent basis then i would be more than happy. Maybe I can do that with this system? I think that a simple and safe system would allow me to do that. Are there any reviews on this system? I know a lot of system sellers are con-artists but maybe this guy is not????????

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I have decided to broaden my horizons and try some new casino games outside of baccarat, and blackjack. I came across this site beatcasinocraps.com, has anybody has any experience with this system? The seller says that it is built around a safe and simple bet. The price does not look too bad and I am considering buying it, but I want to know if anybody has had any sort of experience with it before I do so. I contacted him and he said that he has a unique way of viewing the craps table which allows the bet to work. If I can get into the casino, make a couple of units and get out on a consistent basis then i would be more than happy. Maybe I can do that with this system? I think that a simple and safe system would allow me to do that. Are there any reviews on this system? I know a lot of system sellers are con-artists but maybe this guy is not????????

thanks
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There is no way to beat a house advantage by various ploys in selecting and arranging one's bets or utilizing progressions in betting one's money. That being said, what else is there?

If I had such a system, I know I would not be selling it--heck, I'd be using it until the casinos found out and shut me down with a rules change.

Unlike blackjack, previous play does not influence subsequent play. The dice have no memory.
 
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aslan said:
There is no way to beat a house advantage by various ploys in selecting and arranging one's bets or utilizing progressions in betting one's money. That being said, what else is there?

If I had such a system, I know I would not be selling it--heck, I'd be using it until the casinos found out and shut me down with a rules change.

Unlike blackjack, previous play does not influence subsequent play. The dice have no memory.
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Hi, thanks for your reply. I couldn't wait any longer. I bought the system..it looks interesting. It can be used flat betting which I like.

But anyway..You stated that the dice have no memory which is very true. But what do you think about players? Some players seem to get cold and stay cold. Some players seem to have the natural ability to throw. And some I noticed just suck. The one thing about craps is that the player influences the dice. How do you think this fact works with your statement?

I was playing at Delaware Park a week ago. And i was betting the Don't Pass Line. There was a player to my left who would always establish a point then seven out. And there was a player to my right who would hold the dice for about 10-15 minutes each time. I bet Pass Line on him and don't pass on the other guy. Although the dice has no memory, it seemed as though the players were in some sort of rhythm. there was also a player at the table who was throwing for his first time. He threw 5's for the majority of his throws everytime it was his turn.
 
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muppet said:
you are a superstitious gambler :whip:
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haha how so? I would never look at a person and decide not to bet based on the how the person appears or how they hold themselves. when I made my decisions the last time I played they were based purely on the fact of how shooters threw in the past. Wouldn't superstition be based on more something like, the player has a broken leg so I won't bet with him since he could have bad luck? I think what I am talking about is more like player evaluation based on previous history, which in a way could be superstitious, but then again, not everybody throws the dice the same and some people get into rhythms. And some people have days when they keep throwing 7's.
 
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Dyepaintball12 said:
You've made a horrible error.
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I'm not too sure what you are referring to. I think it could be to me buying the system. I'll take some time to study it and try it out. It is about 24 pages long with a lot of advice about MM and protecting your bankroll. If the system sucks then I can at least use the advice. When I get to play it I'll really see how it performs and I'll post my review to keep people away if it is bad. I hope it wins..keep your fingers crossed.
 
muppet

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from what little i know about dice setting, very few people can master it.

if you are going to a casino and betting craps based on perceived patterns in other gambler's rolls, you are just another casino patron hoping to get lucky in order to win
 
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not touting the website you posted in your first post. That being said, I only wish you would have talked more with people here at BlackjackInfo.com before you wasted you money on the system in question.

I refuse to waste my time to peruse the site you gave us. It is that black and white, baccarat, that it leaves no doubt in any AP's mind that betting systems, money management systems, betting progressions, and the like, in any combination, cannot change the house's advantage nor improve one's chances of winning by even a scintilla. They might hurt one's chances, but never improve them.

If the system came with a refund guarantee, you should return it immediately. If you spent $1 on it, you spent $1 too much. You should feel bad, but don't feel alone; thousands buy such rubbish every day. As humans, we want to believe, especially when it might benefit us financially. But be truthful: You KNOW that if someone had such a system, they would not sell it--they would USE it. Selling a winning system would be letting the cat out of the bag. Casinos would shut down the games. Using a winning system, on the other hand, would make the owner of such a system wealthy until the casinos caught on, if ever. It's only common sense.

Send it back. If that is not feasible, burn it before it burns you. These scams have been debunked for years and years and years. Rest assured, there is no doubt. I will not waste another breath on this. Join us here in the Forum and learn what real and viable techniques really exist to give you a winning edge. You seem like an intelligent person; stay here and learn. That's why I'm here--to learn from some very bright individuals who have been around the block.
 
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not touting the website you posted in your first post.
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Thanks and don't worry, I am not.

That being said, I only wish you would have talked more with people here at BlackjackInfo.com before you wasted you money on the system in question.
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I tend to jump the gun with things. Especially when I am sitting here board out of my mind.


If the system came with a refund guarantee, you should return it immediately. If you spent $1 on it, you spent $1 too much. You should feel bad, but don't feel alone; thousands buy such rubbish every day. As humans, we want to believe, especially when it might benefit us financially. But be truthful: You KNOW that if someone had such a system, they would not sell it--they would USE it. Selling a winning system would be letting the cat out of the bag. Casinos would shut down the games. Using a winning system, on the other hand, would make the owner of such a system wealthy until the casinos caught on, if ever. It's only common sense.
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thank you for your advice. I will consider everything you said, it all makes a lot of sense. One good thing about this system is that the author claims it will work flat betting so I won't get wiped out as I do give it a try. But from experience I know that it is very hard to have long term success flat betting.


I will not waste another breath on this. Join us here in the Forum and learn what real and viable techniques really exist to give you a winning edge. You seem like an intelligent person; stay here and learn. That's why I'm here--to learn from some very bright individuals who have been around the block.
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If it is a waste of money then I'll have to let it be a waste. I have always had some trouble getting into black jack. I have always felt that the odds are nearly the same as baccarat or craps unless you count cards. And as far as I am aware, I did not think it was possible to count due to the ASM's that the casinos use. Maybe there is something that I am missing though.

If counting is out of the question {if it is not then please let me know} then what is the next best approach in black jack? Would it be trying to play the basic strategy for a particular # of deck shoe? Do progressions play a big role in the game? I read a book by some guy name fruits jacob something (I kind of forget his name) his whole system was basically a progression. He didn't mention anything about when to hit and stand, I assume that he figures that the reader will use basic blackjack strategy. That book kind of turned me off from the game. I couldn't really figure out how advanced the game can get outside of counting which doesn't really seem like an option anymore.
 
aslan

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Thanks and don't worry, I am not.



I tend to jump the gun with things. Especially when I am sitting here board out of my mind.




thank you for your advice. I will consider everything you said, it all makes a lot of sense. One good thing about this system is that the author claims it will work flat betting so I won't get wiped out as I do give it a try. But from experience I know that it is very hard to have long term success flat betting.




If it is a waste of money then I'll have to let it be a waste. I have always had some trouble getting into black jack. I have always felt that the odds are nearly the same as baccarat or craps unless you count cards. And as far as I am aware, I did not think it was possible to count due to the ASM's that the casinos use. Maybe there is something that I am missing though.

If counting is out of the question {if it is not then please let me know} then what is the next best approach in black jack? Would it be trying to play the basic strategy for a particular # of deck shoe? Do progressions play a big role in the game? I read a book by some guy name fruits jacob something (I kind of forget his name) his whole system was basically a progression. He didn't mention anything about when to hit and stand, I assume that he figures that the reader will use basic blackjack strategy. That book kind of turned me off from the game. I couldn't really figure out how advanced the game can get outside of counting which doesn't really seem like an option anymore.
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If they use ASMs, counting is feasible. If they use CSMs, you can't beat them. Where do you play?
 
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Oh crap, I didn't realize that. I play in AC, Delaware Park, and I'll be playing in Harrah's Chester, and Sands when Pa is set up.
 
aslan

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Oh crap, I didn't realize that. I play in AC, Delaware Park, and I'll be playing in Harrah's Chester, and Sands when Pa is set up.
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Well, AC has plenty of games with ASMs and also hand shuffle, but Del Park has mostly CSMs unless you want to play $50 or higher. There are CSMs in AC, so keep your eyes peeled, as they say. You do need to be able to distinguish between the ASMs and the CSMs. One way, is that with CSMs, the cards are dealt straight from the machine and fed back into it periodically, whereas with the ASMs, the cards are transferred to a shoe for dealing. I'd advise you learn a simple counting system like Hi-Lo or KO (Knockout).
 
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I guess I better start practicing.
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I wish you luck :) Give yourself a couple hundred hours on a casino-comparable surface, near 10,000 rolls, and a strong tendency for muscle memory; and you can grind out a nice advantage.

But a "system" is just that. A way to manage your wagers, bankroll, and bet levels. Also, be careful not to mix a perceived skill by a player with confirmation bias...that is, seeing what you want to see in a player.

good luck
 
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