Curious about February Poll.

[phantom007]

As of this date, in reviewing the Feb. Poll tallies, i.e., "What casino's should be allowed to do to CC's, it is curious to me that, based on the responses so far, about 44% favour the Casino's having the right to take action, with approx. 32% favoring "drastic" action, which I defined as "legal, barring, and back-off".

I personally voted "shuffling and/or level betting", but only because I could not vote on these individually...otherwise, "shuffle-ups", that is, anything short of CSM, should be allowed, if THEY want to decrease their profits, that is their right.

Anyhow, I am curious as to those of who who voted for "harsher" casino countermeasures...I support your freedom of speech...just curious since in your attendance to this site would cause me to presume that you are either a CC and/or an aspiring one. Therefore, I would presume you would favour casinos having less right to punish those who play the game well.

Would appreciate it if you would share your logic.

Thanks,

phantom007

 

[Abraham de Moivre]

Experience has shown that the more leeway a casino has in "protecting" its games, the more comfortable they feel, and the more likely they are to offer good games.

A rough example: Alantic City where the casinos cannot bar counters - poorly cut 8 deck shoes abound, hardly anything else can be found. In Las Vegas, where the casinos are god and almost anything goes - deeply dealt single deck exists.

A more recent example I am familar with: A Southern Indiana casino tried to flat bet a player. The Gaming Commission ruled that table limits had to be clearly posted on the table, and applied equally to all players. In other words, the Indiana casinos cannot discriminate and single out a player and flat bet him. The casino immediately removed all its deeply cut 6 deckers, and replaced them with 8 deck shoes with no-mid shoe entry.

I guess most people answering the poll feel, "Give me good games and I will play the catch-me-if-you-can game" VS "Law makers limiting Casino's game protection measures and so the Casinos offer crappy games to everyone equally".

You also have to consider that the poll results might be padded with casino spy votes from the casino people who lurk on this site.

Personally, I have no problems with the polite "Sorry, Sir, but we would rather you not play blackjack here anymore". But slap handcuffs on me, have big moron goons twist my arm, revoke comps after-the-fact, follow me in my car, etc., etc., and I feel a line has been crossed and the casinos should be held accountable.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: Curious about February Poll

I voted on shuffle and flat bet, as that is what I am used to, and think that is reasonable with an 8 deck game. The difference is what we think they should be allowed to do to us, rather than what we would like to limit their actions to. How about a dealer dealing seconds after looking at the top card? Or doing false shuffles keeping the 10's in the bottom of the deck?

 

[The Mayor]

I find this poll very interesting. Over in bj21.com, whenever I would raise the issue of prohibiting casinos from taking actions against advantage players, I would get a lot of heat. Now, it appears, that most support/want this very thing! Of course, it could be the non-advantage players who are filling out the poll on our behalf that are skewing the results, but I would have expected virtually every advantage player out there to check "any legal action" based on my previous experience.

--Mayor

 

[Rob McGarvey]

I find it very similar to the onLine bonus playing dilemma. Would you rather have to play 10 times the bonus and deposit to get a 100% bonus, or would you rather get a "sticky bonus" (one you can't withdraw) with zero action required? Or 10x for a $250 rather than 3x for $25? I prefer that they make it more difficult and back off the people that do not have the patience or persistance or skill required to take the $ down.

 

[SammyBoy]

My Feelings Exactly!

And that is why I voted that casinos should be able to bar patrons from their casino. Now in a perfect world we should be able to play the game just like all the other ploppies do. But I don't want to see what happened in AC happen everywhere else.