Cvdata

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

im opening this thread for anybody who has questions about any of the qfit products, as i will probably have a bunch since i just got cvdata and cvcx..

did anyone notice that the basic hi-lo strategy says to hit 16 vs 10 when the count is LESS THAN zero? not less than or equal to, but less than, which is wrong, you hit 16 vs 10 AT EXACTLY ZERO and im guessing that would have a larger impact than one would think, since the count of zero is quite frequent.. it also says to double A7 vs 2 when the count is AT zero, which is also wrong.. i found some other ones that were way off, but perhaps this "hi-lo basic" is based off 1 deck with odd rules or something, because the basic strategy for it says to stand on 2-3 vs 2-3 which is not for shoes, but i thot the software was supposed to adjust to the rules you chose, but perhaps not since i picked the strategy from a list, which could be a general strategy for all decks, so thats why its kind of off..

btw if you think im knocking the software, you are not too smart, as anybody who would knock this software clearly is an idiot, as i dont believe there is anything better out there

 

[KenSmith]

If the true count is exactly zero, then you should stand with 16vT. That's correct, not incorrect as you claim.

By the way, after your recent thread about these products, I'd be curious to know where you acquired your copies of CVData and CVCX. I'm sure Norm will be able to verified that these are registered to you, right?

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

If the true count is exactly zero, then you should stand with 16vT. That's correct, not incorrect as you claim.

basic strategy is based off of the count of zero is it not? well you hit 16 vs 10.. look on your own strategy maker, it says to hit 16 vs 10, as well as every other basic strategy on the web and in books.. if the count is AT ALL positive then you stand, but if its EXACTLY zero, you hit.. im surprised you think otherwise

 

[KenSmith]

No, basic strategy is not based on a true count of zero.
Any time you are dealt 16vT off the top of a fresh shuffle, the cards in your hand and the dealer upcard make the count slightly negative. Basic strategy takes that into account.

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

No, basic strategy is not based on a true count of zero.
Any time you are dealt 16vT off the top of a fresh shuffle, the cards in your hand and the dealer upcard make the count slightly negative. Basic strategy takes that into account.

but that would be composition dependent strategy would it not? i guess tho that however the hand is made up it would be negative.. you make a good point and i never thot of that.. honestly i figured i was wrong, but couldnt see how and figured you were thinking of something else.. does the same thing apply to the A7 vs 2 double AT zero? wouldnt that make the count neutral tho because A and 2 cancel, and 7 is neutral? basic strategy says to stand on A7 vs 2, but the strategy i speak of in cvdata says to double AT or above zero

 

[KenSmith]

Even "total dependent" basic strategy uses the average composition of cards in the hand to make a better decision. This is one of those cases.

 

[21forme]

By the way, after your recent thread about these products, I'd be curious to know where you acquired your copies of CVData and CVCX. I'm sure Norm will be able to verified that these are registered to you, right?

:laugh:

Ken - Do you think Bob's dumb enough to post these questions if he didn't get the software legitimately?

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

:laugh:

Ken - Do you think Bob's dumb enough to post these questions if he didn't get the software legitimately?

are you dumb enuf to believe that APs are honest and "do the right thing"? APs try to save money, and poor beginner APs sure as hell wont spend $200 on some damn software, hell thats 25% of a new computer.. if an AP will lie to get $100s of comps and such, why would he spend $200 on something he isnt going to use much, especially when he only needs less than half of the product?

let me tell you something, this software is great, but 1. i dont want to take out a loan to buy it (10% of my bankroll is what it would cost) 2. not my fault if the demo is actually the entire version minus win/loss rate and he sells codes that can be used infinitely, thus only one person needs to buy the code then he can distribute it 3. how many people on here do you think own qfit products legitimately? fyi, four people have pm'd me with codes, so dont single me out.. if you consider asking "how can i get this software for free" and then having 4 people hand it to you on a silver platter a crime, then you are a nerd who has never been in real trouble.. this is on the level of downloading music..

i plan on running sims for others, as that is what its all about, helping other people on here, not worrying about if so and so from another website makes his $96284th dollar.. i was helped on here by several people, and im going to return the favor to others, that is the goal of this forum, and some people forget that..

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

win rate, EV, and advantage all mean the same thing right? win rate divided by action = .37%, and my advantage is also .37%, so i would assume yes

 

[KenSmith]

SilentBob, you're outta here. Norm's software is well worth the price, as you now know. To come here and brag about stealing it, thinking it is no big deal is just about the stupidest thing I've ever seen. When Norm lets me know he has received payment for CV, CVData and CVCX, I'll _consider_ revoking your ban.

 

[Sonny]

I would just like to add one more thing to this in order to clarify the situation.

The whole point of becoming an AP is to find ways to legally get an advantage. We use our brains to outsmart the system and we take great pride in the fact that we can do it by following the rules of the game and without breaking any laws. There is sometimes a fine line between taking advantage of something (or someone) legally and conning them illegally, but it is a very important distinction to make. It can be very easy to slip from being an AP to a cheater, but almost impossible to become an AP from a thief. Being an AP requires infinitely more skill and ingenuity which most cheaters don't see the need to acquire. It is very important to be aware of this and to always be vigilant about your skills and intentions.

I think the concept of professional courtesy also comes into play a lot in this field. When someone works so hard to create a piece of software that you use, or calculate a difficult playing strategy, or discuss an advanced technique, or share the results of their research we should be courteous and respectful of their efforts. Things like pirating software and giving away their secret information undermine this confidence that we should be able have with each other. Incidents like this are what cause APs to be very secretive about their knowledge. Ultimately this will only hurt ourselves.

-Sonny-

 

[21forme]

Amazing. I didn't think it possible that Bob was THAT dumb!

 

[toastblows]

Amazing. I didn't think it possible that Bob was THAT dumb!

reread every post he's ever made

 

[Bojack1]

are you dumb enuf to believe that APs are honest and "do the right thing"? APs try to save money, and poor beginner APs sure as hell wont spend $200 on some damn software, hell thats 25% of a new computer.. if an AP will lie to get $100s of comps and such, why would he spend $200 on something he isnt going to use much, especially when he only needs less than half of the product?

let me tell you something, this software is great, but 1. i dont want to take out a loan to buy it (10% of my bankroll is what it would cost) 2. not my fault if the demo is actually the entire version minus win/loss rate and he sells codes that can be used infinitely, thus only one person needs to buy the code then he can distribute it 3. how many people on here do you think own qfit products legitimately? fyi, four people have pm'd me with codes, so dont single me out.. if you consider asking "how can i get this software for free" and then having 4 people hand it to you on a silver platter a crime, then you are a nerd who has never been in real trouble.. this is on the level of downloading music..

i plan on running sims for others, as that is what its all about, helping other people on here, not worrying about if so and so from another website makes his $96284th dollar.. i was helped on here by several people, and im going to return the favor to others, that is the goal of this forum, and some people forget that..

Oh yeah, thats a great idea, let you run a sim on how to play. Sounds like the perfect plan seeing you have showed so much aptitude and understanding of the game. You have no class or integrity, any who take the time to let you set playing parameters for their game based on your sims, deserve what they will ultimately get.

 

[RJT]

I'd be interested who the 4 people emailing round codes are.

RJT.

 

[bj bob]

Let us now bow our heads ...

SilentBob, you're outta here. Norm's software is well worth the price, as you now know. To come here and brag about stealing it, thinking it is no big deal is just about the stupidest thing I've ever seen. When Norm lets me know he has received payment for CV, CVData and CVCX, I'll _consider_ revoking your ban.

...and take a moment of silence for Silent Bob... May he rest in peace!:cry: :cry:

 

[toastblows]

:violin: i cant go on

 

[BlackJeezy]

SilentBob, you're outta here. Norm's software is well worth the price, as you now know. To come here and brag about stealing it, thinking it is no big deal is just about the stupidest thing I've ever seen. When Norm lets me know he has received payment for CV, CVData and CVCX, I'll _consider_ revoking your ban.

thats hilarious.. ken the umpire!

 

[EasyRhino]

You know, when I first started, I also didn't seriously consider buying CV/CVData/CVetc, because the price was equal to roughly my entire bankroll. Never seriously considered pirating a copy, though.

At higher levels, of course, the cost of the software may represent one big bet (or less).

 

[nightspirit]

I'd be interested who the 4 people emailing round codes are.

RJT.

Probably there are as smart as SilentBob. Think everybody who has a simulator would run a sim or the other for another member if he gets asked, no need for pirating.