Dealer mistakes & "Ploppy Plays"

[mrbill]

Yesterday in a local casino I saw more dealer mistakes than I've seen in a long time. Among the dealer mistakes were:

• Paying off a $50 + $50 double down with a black chip when the hand was a push.
• Paying the table when the dealer mistakenly called her 21 a 22.
• Checking for BJ, realizing they never asked if anyone wanted insurance and paying even money on a BJ, when the dealer has K up. From her reaction when she checked she obviously had a BJ.
• Underpaying/Overpaying a player BJ.

As for ploppy plays I saw a number of players double down on soft hands at obvoiusly bad times. Doubling A-2 against an 8 all the way to doubling a A-9 against a 10.

Also there was one player that came up to the table. She announced she was new to the casino so wasn't up on all the procedures, but she had played in Vegas so she knew BJ in general. First time she got a pair of 8's she wanted to split them but seemed confused when the dealer told her she need to put more money out to do that. Then later she had a 16 with a dealer 6 up. For whatever reason she decided to hit the 16. Of course she busted with a 10 and the dealer made his hand.

 

[Canceler]

Gotta love 'em!

Several weeks ago I made one of my occasional forays into green chip play, and was at a $25 min table. One gentleman expressed curiosity as to the value of the red chips!

 

[mrbill]

Was at the same casino yesterday. Different dealer but twice he paid someone that had busted out earlier in the hand. Each time the player had bet $25 and busted out. First time he put $25 out for the next hand and the dealer paid him. Happened again about 20 minutes longer. Guy had $25 bet, busted. This time he put out $50 for the next hand. The dealer paid $50 and then the guy lowered his bid to $25. He tried it again a third time but the dealer didn't fall for it again.

 

[EasyRhino]

don't they usually remove cards for busted (and paid BJ) players just for this purpose, to remove the dealer temptation to pay again?

Tonight (at Barona) the dealer began to flip over his up card, but he was flipping his hole card instead. Us near first base saw it. He called over the floorman. Dealer's idea was just to make the "up" card down, and the "down" card up. Floorman, to his credit, made the dealer expose both cards, then ask each player in turn a) if they wanted to play the hand, and b) what their play decision was.

I wasn't even in the hand hand, since the count was terrible, but I thought it was classy.

 

[mrbill]

The cards had been removed when the player busted. Not sure why the dealer paid him the 2 times, I doubt there was anything other than confusion involved.

 

[person1125]

ploppy plays

I saw once guy do the following : the dealer had just shuffled and put the stack in from of him with the cut card so the guy puts a bet into the betting circle and looked totally confused on how to cut. then 2 hands later the same guy hit a hard 14 vs dealer 6 up. people would sometimes be better off lighting their money on fire or just walk in, hand the money to the casino and then leave.

 

[ChefJJ]

I saw once guy do the following : the dealer had just shuffled and put the stack in from of him with the cut card so the guy puts a bet into the betting circle and looked totally confused on how to cut. then 2 hands later the same guy hit a hard 14 vs dealer 6 up. people would sometimes be better off lighting their money on fire or just walk in, hand the money to the casino and then leave.

You know, that story makes me think that ploppys are good to have...otherwise, if we would all be advantage players that won often or didn't lose much--there wouldn't be anywhere to play!!!

 

[NDN21]

Dealer mistakes & "Ploppy Plays".

[*]Checking for BJ, realizing they never asked if anyone wanted insurance and paying even money on a BJ, when the dealer has K up.

I may not be remembering correctly (more likely I am just not thinking right now) but does the house ask the player if they want insurance when a ten-value card is showing? I don't think they ask for insurance on this play.

Taking insurance on a ten-up would be a very bad play.

The cards had been removed when the player busted. Not sure why the dealer paid him the 2 times

Didn't the dealer also remove the player's chips which were part of their losing bet? If the dealer removed the chips by what means did the dealer know how much to pay the player?

I feel that you may not be remembering the events like they occurred.

 

[mrbill]

I may not be remembering correctly (more likely I am just not thinking right now) but does the house ask the player if they want insurance when a ten-value card is showing? I don't think they ask for insurance on this play.

Taking insurance on a ten-up would be a very bad play.

Not normally, That was the dealer mistake I was referring to.

Didn't the dealer also remove the player's chips which were part of their losing bet? If the dealer removed the chips by what means did the dealer know how much to pay the player?

I feel that you may not be remembering the events like they occurred.

Yes, the dealer had removed the chips when the player busted. The player then put out the bet for the next hand. He paid the player even though he had no cards.

The second time the player took advantage of it and had $50 out for the next hand but backed down to his usual $25 once the dealer paid the $50.