Last night I had a dealer hit and bust a hard 17 thinking he had 16. The last time I played the dealer stood on 16 thinking she had 17. Last night it helped me, the time before it hurt me but helped everyone else at the table. I kept my mouth shut both times. It's amazing that they could make these type mistakes.
Dealer Mistakes
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Last weekend I during a high count I had 8 units out ($40). Dealer had an ace up. There was a PC watching, so for various reasons I "insured for less" ($4!!). The dealer had the BJ and paid off my $4 insurance bet, but never took my original bet from the circle. Luckily the PC had left by then. That was at the end of the shoe and she then gave me the cut card, so maybe is was on purpose. I was the only player at the table that had given her a tip.
That 8 unit swing took me from a small loss to a small win...
That 8 unit swing took me from a small loss to a small win...
i've seen many dealer mistakes in playing.
one time after being paid 3:2 for my blackjack i put down my next bet waiting for the other players' hands to be played out. the dealer busted and paid the table including the bet that i had out with no cards next to it. i felt i needed to point this out to him and he could not understand the part about that being my bet for the next hand, he as much as insisted on paying it. i relented.
another time i pulled for a whole string of cards to a 15 against the dealer's bust card. the dealer called out 18 as the he laid the last card down. i counted again and got 15. so, i was standing either way. i asked the dealer "are you sure ?" he counted again and got 18. at this point this caught the attention of everyone at the table. i said to the dealer.. "ok if you say so". getting some smiles and winks from the other players.
the dealer turns his hole card and pulls one to make 17, he counted my cards again and paid me, after tucking the cards in the discard tray he asked me "what did you have again ? " i replied "whatever you said i had."
ihad a dealer pay me three greens for a bet of 3 red.
At the risk of going on too with this posting, the best mistake was one that i made.
i had just checked in a purple (500) for a stack of quarters, put my bet down, one other player at the table. This player was overbetting wildly. losing a fortune and was very loud and disturbed about it. He put down a bet of 3 black chips. the dealer called out to the floor person, TABLE MAX. this other player starts protesting, what do you mean table max, i only have 300 there. max is 500. the player keeps protesting the point on and on real loud as the dealer dealt and played the hands out. the guy lost. the dealer called out table max paying out. the guy blew his stack saying what do you mean paying out table max as he was picking up his chips, he was so angry he walked away still screaming. all this had held my attnetion start to finish so, that i was not even sure what my hand was but when i looked down there were purple chips sitting side by side in my betting circle. i couldn't stop laughing and had to quit playing for a while.
one time after being paid 3:2 for my blackjack i put down my next bet waiting for the other players' hands to be played out. the dealer busted and paid the table including the bet that i had out with no cards next to it. i felt i needed to point this out to him and he could not understand the part about that being my bet for the next hand, he as much as insisted on paying it. i relented.
another time i pulled for a whole string of cards to a 15 against the dealer's bust card. the dealer called out 18 as the he laid the last card down. i counted again and got 15. so, i was standing either way. i asked the dealer "are you sure ?" he counted again and got 18. at this point this caught the attention of everyone at the table. i said to the dealer.. "ok if you say so". getting some smiles and winks from the other players.
the dealer turns his hole card and pulls one to make 17, he counted my cards again and paid me, after tucking the cards in the discard tray he asked me "what did you have again ? " i replied "whatever you said i had."
ihad a dealer pay me three greens for a bet of 3 red.
At the risk of going on too with this posting, the best mistake was one that i made.
i had just checked in a purple (500) for a stack of quarters, put my bet down, one other player at the table. This player was overbetting wildly. losing a fortune and was very loud and disturbed about it. He put down a bet of 3 black chips. the dealer called out to the floor person, TABLE MAX. this other player starts protesting, what do you mean table max, i only have 300 there. max is 500. the player keeps protesting the point on and on real loud as the dealer dealt and played the hands out. the guy lost. the dealer called out table max paying out. the guy blew his stack saying what do you mean paying out table max as he was picking up his chips, he was so angry he walked away still screaming. all this had held my attnetion start to finish so, that i was not even sure what my hand was but when i looked down there were purple chips sitting side by side in my betting circle. i couldn't stop laughing and had to quit playing for a while.
Abraham de Moivre
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"i had a dealer pay me three greens for a bet of 3 red."
We must have had the same dealer. I got a 3 green for 3 red payoff on a
17 vs 17 push. I guess if you are going to mess up, mess up big.
We must have had the same dealer. I got a 3 green for 3 red payoff on a
17 vs 17 push. I guess if you are going to mess up, mess up big.
zengrifter
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Dealer error THINKFAST!
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Dealer error THINKFAST!
Posted By: zengrifter
Date: 10/26/02 4:09:32 p.m.
In Response To: Honesty in BJ (ZOD)
Dealer error THINKFAST!
My last trip provided a rash of dealer errors that were exploitable only by thinking fast - like the dealer hard 20 that was then hit with 2 Aces while I
stood on 99 with a maxBet - as the dealer called the PC over I yanked my 9s up and started scratching - had the PC seen my cards tucked he likely would NOT have called it a dead hand.
Same dealer/table w/ 2 maxBets out I was dealt 1 card to each, whereupon I found an 8 on one and a 10 on the other, dealer showing 10 - careful to keep them seperate the dealer called a floorgal who did not respond - dealer then attempted to push them together to make 1 hand whereupon I pushed them appart again (in a playful manner) and requested a PC, who upon arriving said "deal him 2 more cards." I now held 8-4 on the 1st hand and PC asks if I want to play it - "no" - 2nd hand is 10-10 - "yes" --keeping the cards
seperate was key.
At the Hshoe recently 2 ploppies invaded my heads-up game and somehow I was dealt 3 cards which I quickly glanced at 8-3-5 - I kicked back the 5 in front of my bet and when the dealer got to me he asked "whats this?" "I dunno." He quickly burned it stating that if he calls the suits over it will be a dead
round.
I had more of these incidents in 14 days of play then I can recall in any previous 200 days of play.
Be alert for dealer errors and THINKFAST! (like when the dealer fails to burn a card after shuffle, common at Barona, if you don't like your hand...) zg
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Dealer error THINKFAST!
Posted By: zengrifter
Date: 10/26/02 4:09:32 p.m.
In Response To: Honesty in BJ (ZOD)
Dealer error THINKFAST!
My last trip provided a rash of dealer errors that were exploitable only by thinking fast - like the dealer hard 20 that was then hit with 2 Aces while I
stood on 99 with a maxBet - as the dealer called the PC over I yanked my 9s up and started scratching - had the PC seen my cards tucked he likely would NOT have called it a dead hand.
Same dealer/table w/ 2 maxBets out I was dealt 1 card to each, whereupon I found an 8 on one and a 10 on the other, dealer showing 10 - careful to keep them seperate the dealer called a floorgal who did not respond - dealer then attempted to push them together to make 1 hand whereupon I pushed them appart again (in a playful manner) and requested a PC, who upon arriving said "deal him 2 more cards." I now held 8-4 on the 1st hand and PC asks if I want to play it - "no" - 2nd hand is 10-10 - "yes" --keeping the cards
seperate was key.
At the Hshoe recently 2 ploppies invaded my heads-up game and somehow I was dealt 3 cards which I quickly glanced at 8-3-5 - I kicked back the 5 in front of my bet and when the dealer got to me he asked "whats this?" "I dunno." He quickly burned it stating that if he calls the suits over it will be a dead
round.
I had more of these incidents in 14 days of play then I can recall in any previous 200 days of play.
Be alert for dealer errors and THINKFAST! (like when the dealer fails to burn a card after shuffle, common at Barona, if you don't like your hand...) zg
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HERE'S ONE
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Re: Mixed sentiments HERE'S ONE=
Posted By: zengrifter @ CC.com
Date: 10/26/02 7:41:13 p.m.
HERE'S ONE (a 1-time per club/yr) = I'm at 3rd base, face-down pitch, I spread to 2hands but I'm only dealt 1hand by dealer-error - I push the cards apart WITHOUT FIRST LOOKING, 1card to a bet (I do this quickly while the dealer is occupied at 1st base, remember I haven't looked at them and I did have both bets out properly) In most clubs the PC will instruct the dealer to deal another card each and then give me the option to play or FREE SURRENDAR (ie, dead hand) each. This is a move that I learned from the several times that a dealer DID deal 1card per spot. zg
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Re: Mixed sentiments HERE'S ONE=
Posted By: zengrifter @ CC.com
Date: 10/26/02 7:41:13 p.m.
HERE'S ONE (a 1-time per club/yr) = I'm at 3rd base, face-down pitch, I spread to 2hands but I'm only dealt 1hand by dealer-error - I push the cards apart WITHOUT FIRST LOOKING, 1card to a bet (I do this quickly while the dealer is occupied at 1st base, remember I haven't looked at them and I did have both bets out properly) In most clubs the PC will instruct the dealer to deal another card each and then give me the option to play or FREE SURRENDAR (ie, dead hand) each. This is a move that I learned from the several times that a dealer DID deal 1card per spot. zg
zengrifter
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With small stakes and a shoe game...
...YOU DON'T NEED COVER!! zg
...YOU DON'T NEED COVER!! zg
Re: With small stakes and a shoe game...
My post was poorly worded. The play was not made for cover. Guess it should have said:
"There was a PC watching, AND for various reasons..."
I mentioned the PC to illustrate how close the dealer came to making the error right in front of her boss.
Sorry for the confusion
My post was poorly worded. The play was not made for cover. Guess it should have said:
"There was a PC watching, AND for various reasons..."
I mentioned the PC to illustrate how close the dealer came to making the error right in front of her boss.
Sorry for the confusion
Re: HERE'S ONE
ZG,
I have never played any face down games as you described in this and your other post in this string. One question though. Even though you were able to perfrom the manuevers you described while the dealer was distracted ---- I can't even tuck some chips away off the table without the dealer eying my movements. Aren't you concerned about the surveillance camera ?
Brad.
ZG,
I have never played any face down games as you described in this and your other post in this string. One question though. Even though you were able to perfrom the manuevers you described while the dealer was distracted ---- I can't even tuck some chips away off the table without the dealer eying my movements. Aren't you concerned about the surveillance camera ?
Brad.
any correlation between dealer 'mistakes' and tips
The most common mistake that I have seen is when your bet is either paid off for a BJ or removed because you busted and then you replace your bet to be ready for the next hand and the dealer busts and then pays off everybody, including you, even though you either were already paid or you busted. I've seen this error quite often.
I am wondering if there is any correlation between the size of tips and the frequency of dealer "mistakes" that benefit the player.
I have an interesting story to relate from a small casino in biloxi, I was playing 21 + 3 and was winning, I always tip good if I am winning, when you use multiple parameters and side counts your higher win rate allows you the luxury of tipping big (just kidding), anyway, I put out a tip on the blackjack hand and the dealer moved it to the +3 hand and then proceeded to deal me a 4 and 6 of diamonds and then his up card was, you guessed it, the 5 of diamonds. A straight flush. I forget the payout for this bet, but I think it was 9 to 1, and the tip bet was one green chip, for a total "tip" of $250.
I asked some of my friends about this and they said "run, don't walk, away from that casino, the dealers obviously cheat". I don't know about that, I'm not sure how a dealer can cheat when dealing out of a six deck shoe. I don't know if it is possible to deal seconds out of a shoe or not, I've never seen anyone do that. I just thought it was wierd that the dealer moves the tip bet to the +3 hand and then deals me the highest payout hand possible. Coincidence? Or, too wierd to be a coincidence?
Steve
The most common mistake that I have seen is when your bet is either paid off for a BJ or removed because you busted and then you replace your bet to be ready for the next hand and the dealer busts and then pays off everybody, including you, even though you either were already paid or you busted. I've seen this error quite often.
I am wondering if there is any correlation between the size of tips and the frequency of dealer "mistakes" that benefit the player.
I have an interesting story to relate from a small casino in biloxi, I was playing 21 + 3 and was winning, I always tip good if I am winning, when you use multiple parameters and side counts your higher win rate allows you the luxury of tipping big (just kidding), anyway, I put out a tip on the blackjack hand and the dealer moved it to the +3 hand and then proceeded to deal me a 4 and 6 of diamonds and then his up card was, you guessed it, the 5 of diamonds. A straight flush. I forget the payout for this bet, but I think it was 9 to 1, and the tip bet was one green chip, for a total "tip" of $250.
I asked some of my friends about this and they said "run, don't walk, away from that casino, the dealers obviously cheat". I don't know about that, I'm not sure how a dealer can cheat when dealing out of a six deck shoe. I don't know if it is possible to deal seconds out of a shoe or not, I've never seen anyone do that. I just thought it was wierd that the dealer moves the tip bet to the +3 hand and then deals me the highest payout hand possible. Coincidence? Or, too wierd to be a coincidence?
Steve
zengrifter
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Re: HERE'S ONE - YES
"Aren't you concerned about the surveillance camera?"
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Yes, I am and that's why - a) its a 1-time/year move, and b) I don't look at my cards, just seperate them sight unseen - thus I have 'plausible deniability' zg
"Aren't you concerned about the surveillance camera?"
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Yes, I am and that's why - a) its a 1-time/year move, and b) I don't look at my cards, just seperate them sight unseen - thus I have 'plausible deniability' zg