a thread below seems to have evolved into a debate about dealer pay...over/under. i recall casino management often stating that if they posted an ad for dealer openings, that the wannabe line would extend to nye county. under or over paid, methinks that those thousands of applicants believe that "minimum wage", lv dealer jobs are better than what they now enjoy. i'd measure the value of a job by the length of line of job applicants.
dealer pay...
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Several days ago I paid a visit to my old dealing school. It was packed. Probably 80% of the people in there were Asian, mostly Chinese and Filippino. Many had only rudimentary English skills if they could speak it at all. No Hispanics and 1 black woman who obviously had a history of prostitution and drug abuse. She will be perfect for the Western.
Two Chinese ladies who couldn't speak Enlish and a man who said who was 71 were trying to learn dice of all things. You punters must be really looking forward to the future.
I think the demand for the job is solely driven by the amount of Asians in Las Vegas. This certainly does not seem to be a popular employment choice amongst Native Americans. Asians must believe that they can get by in this job with limited English while Hispanics must feel that they cannot. Or maybe it has to do with the fascination with gambling in Asian culture and the Hispanics just prefer to clean hotel rooms? Who knows?
Anyway, since the majority of SD games seem to be in the break-in houses, you boys and gals will be dealing with these folks in the very near future.
Two Chinese ladies who couldn't speak Enlish and a man who said who was 71 were trying to learn dice of all things. You punters must be really looking forward to the future.
I think the demand for the job is solely driven by the amount of Asians in Las Vegas. This certainly does not seem to be a popular employment choice amongst Native Americans. Asians must believe that they can get by in this job with limited English while Hispanics must feel that they cannot. Or maybe it has to do with the fascination with gambling in Asian culture and the Hispanics just prefer to clean hotel rooms? Who knows?
Anyway, since the majority of SD games seem to be in the break-in houses, you boys and gals will be dealing with these folks in the very near future.
since you mention with some apparent authority...
the western...how many black prostitutes have *you* seen dealing at the western ? since that joint's been on my route for more years (60's) than you claim to be dealing, i haven't seen any black prostitutes dealing there. what shift ? i play most all shifts at most all playable joints in "las vegas" (most licensees aren't in las vegas, rather in clark county). in the last several years, at the western, i've seen legions of ethiopians (and one eritrean), a few thai, and numerous mainland chinese. occasionally there are mid age anglos dealing. none of the food service, slot floor, security, cage, hotel reception desk, or even bingo staff, seem to fit your description as stated, the foundation of your post. if your "facts" regarding the western were simply puffery, then be advised that there are several (playable games) casino licensees which are demonstrably tackier in all aspects to the western.
please explain. or were you simply "underinformed" ?
the western...how many black prostitutes have *you* seen dealing at the western ? since that joint's been on my route for more years (60's) than you claim to be dealing, i haven't seen any black prostitutes dealing there. what shift ? i play most all shifts at most all playable joints in "las vegas" (most licensees aren't in las vegas, rather in clark county). in the last several years, at the western, i've seen legions of ethiopians (and one eritrean), a few thai, and numerous mainland chinese. occasionally there are mid age anglos dealing. none of the food service, slot floor, security, cage, hotel reception desk, or even bingo staff, seem to fit your description as stated, the foundation of your post. if your "facts" regarding the western were simply puffery, then be advised that there are several (playable games) casino licensees which are demonstrably tackier in all aspects to the western.
please explain. or were you simply "underinformed" ?
how else might he have concluded that...
a "black prostitute would be perfect for the western" ? how could he possibly know that ? has he held any sheriff's card for any game at the western ? does he play there often so as to enable him to recount personal observations ?
please explain since i haven't seen "black prostitutes" dealing any game at the western. posters who deliberately lie, as in this case to advance some personal agenda, eliminate any credibility to their posts...now or future.
a "black prostitute would be perfect for the western" ? how could he possibly know that ? has he held any sheriff's card for any game at the western ? does he play there often so as to enable him to recount personal observations ?
please explain since i haven't seen "black prostitutes" dealing any game at the western. posters who deliberately lie, as in this case to advance some personal agenda, eliminate any credibility to their posts...now or future.
Re: how else might he have concluded that...
he's already explained below but it was pretty obvious that he was saying the Western was not a very high class place to play BJ (I've never been there but it is apparently pretty well known among the AP and BJ community and apparently by anyone that's been there)
another counter trait: interpreting things very literally. I find that a lot here.
unless your wife is a black prostitute and you were offended by that, chill out.
he's already explained below but it was pretty obvious that he was saying the Western was not a very high class place to play BJ (I've never been there but it is apparently pretty well known among the AP and BJ community and apparently by anyone that's been there)
another counter trait: interpreting things very literally. I find that a lot here.
unless your wife is a black prostitute and you were offended by that, chill out.
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Re: since you mention with some apparent authority...
What would a prostitute who works at the Western look like and just think she would probably be wearing one of those diner hanging signs saying "Pu$$y cheap/on sale; I will pay you to try it". : )
What would a prostitute who works at the Western look like and just think she would probably be wearing one of those diner hanging signs saying "Pu$$y cheap/on sale; I will pay you to try it". : )
Re: how else might he have concluded that...
This is great. I have played at the Western before. The reason: the clientele, those people are crazy. It's entertaining for me to just be an observer. I deal to pay the bills but I really think of myself as a writer and there is some excellent material there.
Obviously this venue provides some benefit to you or you would not be there. From your posting I can see you would not be entertained by the slobbering drunk or the twitching junkie so there must be other reasons. Is it the sloppy break-ins? The supervisors who don't have a clue? Recently, I saw a floor lady at the Gold Spike smoking a cigarette right in that miniscule pit. I doubt she was concerned about your counting. Also, I recently saw an ad in the paper from the Poker Palace looking for floor people. To qualify, you had to have UNDER 6 months of dealing experience. Are you sure that wouldn't make the candidates over-qualified? Yes, I can see why these establishments are on your route.
This is great. I have played at the Western before. The reason: the clientele, those people are crazy. It's entertaining for me to just be an observer. I deal to pay the bills but I really think of myself as a writer and there is some excellent material there.
Obviously this venue provides some benefit to you or you would not be there. From your posting I can see you would not be entertained by the slobbering drunk or the twitching junkie so there must be other reasons. Is it the sloppy break-ins? The supervisors who don't have a clue? Recently, I saw a floor lady at the Gold Spike smoking a cigarette right in that miniscule pit. I doubt she was concerned about your counting. Also, I recently saw an ad in the paper from the Poker Palace looking for floor people. To qualify, you had to have UNDER 6 months of dealing experience. Are you sure that wouldn't make the candidates over-qualified? Yes, I can see why these establishments are on your route.
if you don't treat the blackjack game "literally"...
stop playing now before you buy a bk. i find it amusing that so called "advantage" players are inattentive to accuracy. maybe that's why the poster is pitching cards instead of playing them for wages.
if the poster wished to rate nevada casinos, unknown (apparently) to him, there are several near at hand, that are tackier than the western. if the "professional" players are too effete to play in them, thank you. the last time the "professionals" lowered themselves to play in an "inferior" joint, it could have been at the opera house. after "wong" messaged the subscribers about the game, it became immediately burned out. usta count on weekly gas money from that game.
as to the braggert/poster deriding the western because it had hookers.... i'd be interested in where he works. most of the working girls i see are in thick rug joints, not at the western. would that somehow make those rug joints inferior to the western, using his measuring stick ?
stop playing now before you buy a bk. i find it amusing that so called "advantage" players are inattentive to accuracy. maybe that's why the poster is pitching cards instead of playing them for wages.
if the poster wished to rate nevada casinos, unknown (apparently) to him, there are several near at hand, that are tackier than the western. if the "professional" players are too effete to play in them, thank you. the last time the "professionals" lowered themselves to play in an "inferior" joint, it could have been at the opera house. after "wong" messaged the subscribers about the game, it became immediately burned out. usta count on weekly gas money from that game.
as to the braggert/poster deriding the western because it had hookers.... i'd be interested in where he works. most of the working girls i see are in thick rug joints, not at the western. would that somehow make those rug joints inferior to the western, using his measuring stick ?
no, it's not likely that you "know" why any joint....
is on my route. i play or have recently played in most all casino licensees in clark county. clark county extends to mesquite, to laughlin. some i visit only infrequently because of limited hours of 21 games, some because the drive isn't worth it since decent games are nearer at hand. table limits are not an issue. playable games seem to be around at all levels of play.
you mention the 'spike. last time i waxed them i actually felt sorry for that long haired, wahini pitstiff. she was on the phone a half dozen times during that session.
trolling low end joints for weak dealers cum poor game protection is but one aspect of playing there. other than the el cortez coffee shop, it ain't for the vittles, neither. though the monster burger at the longhorn is edible, as is their ham steak special (much better than that at az charlie's).
interesting people are at all joints. some of the pitstiffs at rug joints have been around since the outfit ran them. many of the players at the downtown joints have been supporting those tables for 40 to 50 years. the best stories are usually unravelled at a downtown lunch counter. last week i cornered a fellow with a complex strategy to handicap sports wagers. another time, at the klondike for that $1.99 spaghetti (free with coupon), a guy divulged the intricacies of his horse racing strategy. same with an off shift, high mile cabbie...lots of cool stories. one advantage to living in clark county is that your circle of cronies can include a couple dozen current and former casino employees, even owners. of the two sorts, the employees have more interesting tales.
is on my route. i play or have recently played in most all casino licensees in clark county. clark county extends to mesquite, to laughlin. some i visit only infrequently because of limited hours of 21 games, some because the drive isn't worth it since decent games are nearer at hand. table limits are not an issue. playable games seem to be around at all levels of play.
you mention the 'spike. last time i waxed them i actually felt sorry for that long haired, wahini pitstiff. she was on the phone a half dozen times during that session.
trolling low end joints for weak dealers cum poor game protection is but one aspect of playing there. other than the el cortez coffee shop, it ain't for the vittles, neither. though the monster burger at the longhorn is edible, as is their ham steak special (much better than that at az charlie's).
interesting people are at all joints. some of the pitstiffs at rug joints have been around since the outfit ran them. many of the players at the downtown joints have been supporting those tables for 40 to 50 years. the best stories are usually unravelled at a downtown lunch counter. last week i cornered a fellow with a complex strategy to handicap sports wagers. another time, at the klondike for that $1.99 spaghetti (free with coupon), a guy divulged the intricacies of his horse racing strategy. same with an off shift, high mile cabbie...lots of cool stories. one advantage to living in clark county is that your circle of cronies can include a couple dozen current and former casino employees, even owners. of the two sorts, the employees have more interesting tales.
Re: since you mention with some apparent authority...
brill...you should explain why most joints are hiring asian dealers nowadays. With their limited english there is little verbal interaction...no kidding around, no flirting, no laughing...which translates into reduced dealer bets which means the joint gets to win more. When dealers win and "lock up" the toke, the joint doesn't get another shot at the $$$$. These asian dealers(mostly female) also fulfill the typical white male fantasy of "geisha doll" girlfriends. Sounds racist? Well, I'm asian myself and a true student of "gaming" and have NEVER thought that casino management is stupid(with notable exceptions). The entire casino floor is a trap for the unwary...never forget the original operators came out of Stubenville, Hot Springs, Miami and New Orleans along with the carnival guys and they NEVER gave a "mark" an even break at all. In gaming, always look for what's NOT being shown...
brill...you should explain why most joints are hiring asian dealers nowadays. With their limited english there is little verbal interaction...no kidding around, no flirting, no laughing...which translates into reduced dealer bets which means the joint gets to win more. When dealers win and "lock up" the toke, the joint doesn't get another shot at the $$$$. These asian dealers(mostly female) also fulfill the typical white male fantasy of "geisha doll" girlfriends. Sounds racist? Well, I'm asian myself and a true student of "gaming" and have NEVER thought that casino management is stupid(with notable exceptions). The entire casino floor is a trap for the unwary...never forget the original operators came out of Stubenville, Hot Springs, Miami and New Orleans along with the carnival guys and they NEVER gave a "mark" an even break at all. In gaming, always look for what's NOT being shown...
Re: since you mention with some apparent authority...
As far as casinos hiring Asians, they have no choice in the matter. These are the people who want the job. Step into a dealing school, you will not see many whites, blacks, hispanics. In fact, many of the whites are from Europe and the blacks from Africa. I'm speaking about the LV market of course.
You are right that non-English-speaking dealers are perhaps the major reason why down-town tokes are so low. Of course DT doesn't attract the high rollers, yet the mute dealers are unable to properly milk the clientele they have. Another reason for hiring them is that they will stay in the same place for years since they cannot get a better job due to communication difficulties. You will find supervisors and probably even pit bosses who cannot speak English DT.
You are also right that there are many stunning Asians dealers, some of whom I have gotten to know very well
I've asked some of them why they don't sling cocktails and make a lot more money...they were too modest to wear the uniform.
As far as casinos hiring Asians, they have no choice in the matter. These are the people who want the job. Step into a dealing school, you will not see many whites, blacks, hispanics. In fact, many of the whites are from Europe and the blacks from Africa. I'm speaking about the LV market of course.
You are right that non-English-speaking dealers are perhaps the major reason why down-town tokes are so low. Of course DT doesn't attract the high rollers, yet the mute dealers are unable to properly milk the clientele they have. Another reason for hiring them is that they will stay in the same place for years since they cannot get a better job due to communication difficulties. You will find supervisors and probably even pit bosses who cannot speak English DT.
You are also right that there are many stunning Asians dealers, some of whom I have gotten to know very well
I've asked some of them why they don't sling cocktails and make a lot more money...they were too modest to wear the uniform.