Dealer rules, standing and hitting on splits.
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Before you begin studying card counting you need to get a good book explaining the basic rules of blackjack. Learn Basic Strategy and have it down cold before you even think about counting cards. I would suggest reading Quick Guide To Winning Blackjack by Avery Cardoza to get the rules of the game and Basic Strategy down pat. Then read Blackjack Bluebook II by Fred Renzey to learn all the rest including card counting. Good luck!:joker:
This is the quickest and best route I know of to becoming an Advantage Player.
Before you begin studying card counting you need to get a good book explaining the basic rules of blackjack. Learn Basic Strategy and have it down cold before you even think about counting cards. I would suggest reading Quick Guide To Winning Blackjack by Avery Cardoza to get the rules of the game and Basic Strategy down pat. Then read Blackjack Bluebook II by Fred Renzey to learn all the rest including card counting. Good luck!:joker:
This is the quickest and best route I know of to becoming an Advantage Player.
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Thanks for the support to some people at least. 
I added my signature as why not. Anyway
I am learning basic strategy this is where i saw my problem.
I was playing the dealers hand out of curiosity ot see how it affected the win rate. Not just to repetitvely reel off hit or stand against the chart. Either way does the dealer stand on 17 always if there is two hands evne if he loses against and wins against the same person? Although now ive just read that while typing it i think i know the answer as surely it makes no difference if the two hands are against one or two people meaning the dealer should stand on 17 or a higher hand even if he doesnt beat all other hands.
I added my signature as why not. AnywayI am learning basic strategy this is where i saw my problem.
I was playing the dealers hand out of curiosity ot see how it affected the win rate. Not just to repetitvely reel off hit or stand against the chart. Either way does the dealer stand on 17 always if there is two hands evne if he loses against and wins against the same person? Although now ive just read that while typing it i think i know the answer as surely it makes no difference if the two hands are against one or two people meaning the dealer should stand on 17 or a higher hand even if he doesnt beat all other hands.
To get back to the initial question posted... The dealer has no choice in how to play the hand. Regardless of what the various player totals may be, the dealer must hit until he has 17 or higher, then stand. (Some rules allow the dealer to hit a soft 17.)lorddan01 said:
If you're not clear, you may want to read Rules of Blackjack.
What I learned
Never split 88 and AA against the dealer's 9,10 and A. 88 and AA should only be splited against the dealer's 13,14,15,16 and 17.
If you are card counting, and the count is +14 surrender the 17 if the dealer has a strong up card, which is 9,10 and A. doublle on 11 if the the dealer has an A, but hasno blackjack. Double on 8 if the dealer has 15 or 16. I double on 7 if the count is high. I split 10s if am drunk.
Winner winner,chicken dinner.
Harry
Never split 88 and AA against the dealer's 9,10 and A. 88 and AA should only be splited against the dealer's 13,14,15,16 and 17.
If you are card counting, and the count is +14 surrender the 17 if the dealer has a strong up card, which is 9,10 and A. doublle on 11 if the the dealer has an A, but hasno blackjack. Double on 8 if the dealer has 15 or 16. I double on 7 if the count is high. I split 10s if am drunk.
Winner winner,chicken dinner.
Harry
Don't take Harry advice!
Despite the movie 21, splitting 88 is a less losing move than standing or hitting it against a 9,10 or A. If you are card counting and the count is +10 or more stand on 88 vs a ten. I've almost never seen a +10 or more count! I play shoe games.
Always split Aces. Ask anyone, besides Harry.
A +14 count index is not worth considering. There is an index where you should surrender a 17 against an A when dealer hits 17.
Double an A against 11 after checking for blackjack at certain positive counts, index # depends on rules/decks.
Doubling 8 vs 15 or 16 is only valid for single deck (3:2) other indices are indicated for counting depending on rules/decks. I've only heard of 1 place in US where this game is available.
Never double on 7!
Only split 10s if your leaving town never to return again!
I've never seen so much garbage posted in one message!
for Harry (He's in blue.):whip:
Just in case anyone might consider the advice above. . . don't do it.Harry1941 said:
Despite the movie 21, splitting 88 is a less losing move than standing or hitting it against a 9,10 or A. If you are card counting and the count is +10 or more stand on 88 vs a ten. I've almost never seen a +10 or more count! I play shoe games.
Always split Aces. Ask anyone, besides Harry.
A +14 count index is not worth considering. There is an index where you should surrender a 17 against an A when dealer hits 17.
Double an A against 11 after checking for blackjack at certain positive counts, index # depends on rules/decks.
Doubling 8 vs 15 or 16 is only valid for single deck (3:2) other indices are indicated for counting depending on rules/decks. I've only heard of 1 place in US where this game is available.
Never double on 7!
Only split 10s if your leaving town never to return again!
I've never seen so much garbage posted in one message!
for Harry (He's in blue.)
:whip:Blue Efficacy
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There's definitely some garbage in your message, too.tripsix said:Just in case anyone might consider the advice above. . . don't do it.
Despite the movie 21, splitting 88 is a less losing move than standing or hitting it against a 9,10 or A. If you are card counting and the count is +10 or more stand on 88 vs a ten. I've almost never seen a +10 or more count! I play shoe games.
Always split Aces. Ask anyone, besides Harry.
A +14 count index is not worth considering. There is an index where you should surrender a 17 against an A when dealer hits 17.
Double an A against 11 after checking for blackjack at certain positive counts, index # depends on rules/decks.
Doubling 8 vs 15 or 16 is only valid for single deck (3:2) other indices are indicated for counting depending on rules/decks. I've only heard of 1 place in US where this game is available.
Never double on 7!
Only split 10s if your leaving town never to return again!
I've never seen so much garbage posted in one message!
for Harry (He's in blue.)
You're saying you wouldn't double down on 8 if you could see the dealer's hole card and know they had 15 or 16? I would do that every single time. As well as splitting 10s. I split 10's every once in a while at places I go to regularly. You're giving up a lot of EV by not splitting face cards if the dealer has a total of 16. (or if the dealer has an up card of "6" at a high TC)
If the game is H17, it IS basic strategy to double down 11 v. A.
I also do not know where you got the absurd notion that the index for surrendering 17 v A is +14. Again, in a 6D H17 game, surrender is the basic strategy play.
It's possible, lets see.Blue Efficacy said:
No, I should have said dealer upcard of 5 or 6. I assumed people would understand that as Harry said he doubled on 7 at high counts. It is basic strategy for SINGLE DECK(3:2) to double 8 v 5 or 6.
I've only split tens every once in a while in a place I used to play. Now I get the worst pen whenever I go there, it's not playable.
That's why I strongly urge against the play! (I still do rarely, only under specific circumstances.)If the game is S17, it IS NOT basic strategy to double down 11 v A.
Never had that notion about +14, it was Harry's number. Again, in 6D S17 stand is the basic strategy, not surrender.
Full disclosure though, I indicated H17 and noted there IS an index where it's proper to surrender. I should have taken the time to look it up, therefore your point is well taken.
In review, it seems I made one mistake in my post. I'll be more careful about the H17/S17 differences in future.:grin:
Blue Efficacy
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Part of my post was simply poking fun at you for the fact that you referred to an upcard of 5-6 as 15-16.
