Trever Kirk
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This forum is to write your stories about a time you had with a dealer. it can be good or bad stories.
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Trever Kirk
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how about you start us out with one of yours.
I hate dealers that play sick - coughing, sneezing, running nose - hey I have to touch those chips! I know they are made to stay there - but my gosh - if you are sick stay home or go home!
I do feel sorry for some dealers who have to ask the pit boss for a tissue to blow their nose and he can't hear...
I hate it when a dealer has to wait for express approval to change 1 green into red!
I hate it when you put down $25 at a $5 table and the dealer yells at the top of his lungs "CHECKS PLAY!!!!"
I hate dealers who are so slow dealing that its painful - that's when I watch something else like the next table or the roulette wheel and scan the whole table at a glance for the count...
I hate dealers who stop the game and spend 4 minutes trying to explain blackjack to a newbie...
I hate dealers who would rather chat and socialize than deal quickly and accurately...
I hate dealers who have an attitude that they are going to kick your but and take your money and there's nothing you can do about it...
I hate dealers who say absolutely nothing after you place a bet for them!
On the other hand I love dealers who really are rooting for you and you really get the feeling they want you to win!
I love dealers who acknowledge and congratulate your play and outcomes good for the table.
I love casinos where dealers keep their own tips - are there any left? One of my best sessions ever was with such a dealer - I don't know what he was doing or how, but it seems more than coincidence that he was friendly and enthusiastic and I had one of my biggest winning sessions ever!
I do feel sorry for some dealers who have to ask the pit boss for a tissue to blow their nose and he can't hear...
I hate it when a dealer has to wait for express approval to change 1 green into red!
I hate it when you put down $25 at a $5 table and the dealer yells at the top of his lungs "CHECKS PLAY!!!!"
I hate dealers who are so slow dealing that its painful - that's when I watch something else like the next table or the roulette wheel and scan the whole table at a glance for the count...
I hate dealers who stop the game and spend 4 minutes trying to explain blackjack to a newbie...
I hate dealers who would rather chat and socialize than deal quickly and accurately...
I hate dealers who have an attitude that they are going to kick your but and take your money and there's nothing you can do about it...
I hate dealers who say absolutely nothing after you place a bet for them!
On the other hand I love dealers who really are rooting for you and you really get the feeling they want you to win!
I love dealers who acknowledge and congratulate your play and outcomes good for the table.
I love casinos where dealers keep their own tips - are there any left? One of my best sessions ever was with such a dealer - I don't know what he was doing or how, but it seems more than coincidence that he was friendly and enthusiastic and I had one of my biggest winning sessions ever!
EasyRhino
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I was having great fun describing in great detail the stomach flu I had recently gotten to a dealer... she didn't appear as enthusiastic about collecting my chips after a loss.
Yeah, that's a tough one, as those dealers often seem like nice folks, so the sociable part of you wants to talk to them, and the AP part of you wants them to dummy up and deal.jimmtech said:
Split10
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this morning there was a dealer who was running in slow-motion or something. I tried not to lose my patience.
also a dealer who would NOT shut up after exposing both hole cards. "its the best thing that could happen...why are you complaining" is the response(s) I got when I asked if I could opt out of the hand. I wong out later and she's like 'youre going to mess up the order of the cards....blah blah..."some people."
30 minutes after that, she paid my losing hand:laugh:
also a dealer who would NOT shut up after exposing both hole cards. "its the best thing that could happen...why are you complaining" is the response(s) I got when I asked if I could opt out of the hand. I wong out later and she's like 'youre going to mess up the order of the cards....blah blah..."some people."
30 minutes after that, she paid my losing hand:laugh:
I saw last week where a guy at third base hit when he shouldn't have causing the dealer to to get 21. In digust the dealer picks up the hit card and chastises the guy, then rubs it in his face by showing the card to the others at the table and telling each person how much money they lost because this guy played incorrectly. He continued to shake his head in digust and glare at the guy as he dealt the next hand...
What I find strange is that most of the dealers I've truly enjoyed seem to vanish.
About two years ago,there was an Oriental girl working the IP. She was hilarious but very efficent. Drop dead gorgeous to boot. Of course when I went back three months later,she was gone.
Same thing with several others I found to be outstanding.
About two years ago,there was an Oriental girl working the IP. She was hilarious but very efficent. Drop dead gorgeous to boot. Of course when I went back three months later,she was gone.
Same thing with several others I found to be outstanding.
ihate17
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If you are good and have looks and personality
She might have married a high roller. Most likely she moved up, out of IP, to a place where the tokes are greater. There is no doubt that just a decent dealer with looks and personality is always in demand in the upscale joints.
The other thing is, in So Cal Indian Casinos, I have met quite a few dealers who left Vegas for places where they keep their own tips. Guys with good personalities and Gals with either personality or looks or both. My guess is they knew they were supporting "lumps" in the toke pool and set out on their own.
ihate17
shadroch said:
She might have married a high roller. Most likely she moved up, out of IP, to a place where the tokes are greater. There is no doubt that just a decent dealer with looks and personality is always in demand in the upscale joints.
The other thing is, in So Cal Indian Casinos, I have met quite a few dealers who left Vegas for places where they keep their own tips. Guys with good personalities and Gals with either personality or looks or both. My guess is they knew they were supporting "lumps" in the toke pool and set out on their own.
ihate17
toastblows
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Hard to imagine pay is better outside of vegas. I thought it was 70-80k "on average" to be a dealer in vegas. Of course some casinos its probably less, some more...so you get an average. Up in mn/wi casinos ive heard its around 40-50k and they share tips as well. Id rather share for 70K over 50K anyday. :cool2:
Of course if this magical casino exists where you keep your own tips...jesus....that would :band:
Of course if this magical casino exists where you keep your own tips...jesus....that would :band:
ihate17
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You are comparing IP to Caesars?
Where dealers at Caesars make around 80 grand+, IP dealers are more likely to make 45 or so. Dealers in the Indian Casino near me make about 80 grand and most of them could never get a job at an upscale strip joint. Then when you mention Vegas, you have to take in all the places that are worse for dealers than IP. People still break in at the Western, Longhorn, EC and others, these guys probably make less than 30.
I think if you expect over 80 grand, then you are looking at just the top of the line places.
The problem that some Vegas dealers who came to California was never tokes but was the cost of living. Housing is very expensive, though in the Riverside County area, it is much cheaper than in San Diego or Santa Barbara counties.
ihate17
toastblows said:
Where dealers at Caesars make around 80 grand+, IP dealers are more likely to make 45 or so. Dealers in the Indian Casino near me make about 80 grand and most of them could never get a job at an upscale strip joint. Then when you mention Vegas, you have to take in all the places that are worse for dealers than IP. People still break in at the Western, Longhorn, EC and others, these guys probably make less than 30.
I think if you expect over 80 grand, then you are looking at just the top of the line places.
The problem that some Vegas dealers who came to California was never tokes but was the cost of living. Housing is very expensive, though in the Riverside County area, it is much cheaper than in San Diego or Santa Barbara counties.
ihate17
toastblows
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right...i heard at one time the "average" was 70-80...assuming bellagio, cesaers, venetian, etc get you well above the average to places like the gold spike, etc :laugh:
I asked a dealer in northern wisconsin where he lived and what he paid (recently, this past summer...he was quite young and was staring down the ass of a woman behind me playing roulette, so we had a lot of face to face time :laugh: ). He lived 10 miles from the casino (which is BF nowhere to begin with) and he paid $400/mo for a 2 bedroom by himself. He said the casino dealer average there was about $15-$18/hr. That seems like a hell of a deal compared with people in the cities where i live who make $15-20/hr and pay about 800-1k for a 2 bedroom. Its all about location. Vegas seems like a better place to make tons of money and pay less rent if even if you have to share the tokes. And not to mention more **** to do when you arent working compared to the desert or barren winter (in WI) when you arent dealing cards. :cool2:
I asked a dealer in northern wisconsin where he lived and what he paid (recently, this past summer...he was quite young and was staring down the ass of a woman behind me playing roulette, so we had a lot of face to face time :laugh: ). He lived 10 miles from the casino (which is BF nowhere to begin with) and he paid $400/mo for a 2 bedroom by himself. He said the casino dealer average there was about $15-$18/hr. That seems like a hell of a deal compared with people in the cities where i live who make $15-20/hr and pay about 800-1k for a 2 bedroom. Its all about location. Vegas seems like a better place to make tons of money and pay less rent if even if you have to share the tokes. And not to mention more **** to do when you arent working compared to the desert or barren winter (in WI) when you arent dealing cards. :cool2:
EmeraldCityBJ
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Good Dealers:
I've run into a couple dealers who recognize that I'm an advantage player, and actually do what they can to benefit me. They'll do things like improve penetration and deal a fast-paced game. They are grateful if I have a winning session and toke them, even if it's significantly less than what most players would toke at my betting level. They don't rat on me by telling the pit about my play during their break. Dealers this good are exceptionally rare, and I consider myself lucky to actually know a couple dealers who will do this for me.
I also appreciate dealers who keep the ploppies quiet. I got critized for hitting my 12 vs. a 3 by a 3rd base drunk ploppy. The comments were more rude and offensive than some you might hear. The dealer quickly (and rather cleverly) changed the conversation to something else the ploppy had mentioned earlier about his evening at the bar. I was very impressed with the professionalism shown by this dealer.
Bad Dealers:
The dealers I hate most are the ones who won't admit they've made a mistake and won't call in the floor. I have two specific examples of this.
The first involved a blackjack tournament. For those unfamiliar with tournament play, there us usually a dealer button which determines the order of betting and sometimes the order of play. The button rotates to the next spot for each hand, ensuring everyone has the opportunity to bet and play their hand last at least some of the time. In this tournament, it was obvious that the button did not get moved (we were on hand #13, and the button was in spot #5 on the table when it should have been in spot #6). A couple players commented on the error and the dealer insisted that the button was in the correct position. I asked the dealer to call the floor, and they gave me this rant about how they get no tips and are not paid when they deal tournaments.
The second involved a match play coupon for a Pai Gow Poker game. Since the game was commission free, I chose to player-bank one hand after using the coupon (in a commission free game, a player banker has an edge over the casino since the banker wins pushes). My high hand was worse than the dealer's hand, but the low hand was a "copy", meaning that I as the banker win the low hand and the overall hand result is a push. When the dealer took my chips, I tried to explain that it should be a push because I was the banker. When she disagreed, I asked her to call the floor. After also refusing to call the floor, I had to scream for the floor myself to correct the situation before the cards got scooped up and placed back in the automatic shuffler.
I've run into a couple dealers who recognize that I'm an advantage player, and actually do what they can to benefit me. They'll do things like improve penetration and deal a fast-paced game. They are grateful if I have a winning session and toke them, even if it's significantly less than what most players would toke at my betting level. They don't rat on me by telling the pit about my play during their break. Dealers this good are exceptionally rare, and I consider myself lucky to actually know a couple dealers who will do this for me.
I also appreciate dealers who keep the ploppies quiet. I got critized for hitting my 12 vs. a 3 by a 3rd base drunk ploppy. The comments were more rude and offensive than some you might hear. The dealer quickly (and rather cleverly) changed the conversation to something else the ploppy had mentioned earlier about his evening at the bar. I was very impressed with the professionalism shown by this dealer.
Bad Dealers:
The dealers I hate most are the ones who won't admit they've made a mistake and won't call in the floor. I have two specific examples of this.
The first involved a blackjack tournament. For those unfamiliar with tournament play, there us usually a dealer button which determines the order of betting and sometimes the order of play. The button rotates to the next spot for each hand, ensuring everyone has the opportunity to bet and play their hand last at least some of the time. In this tournament, it was obvious that the button did not get moved (we were on hand #13, and the button was in spot #5 on the table when it should have been in spot #6). A couple players commented on the error and the dealer insisted that the button was in the correct position. I asked the dealer to call the floor, and they gave me this rant about how they get no tips and are not paid when they deal tournaments.
The second involved a match play coupon for a Pai Gow Poker game. Since the game was commission free, I chose to player-bank one hand after using the coupon (in a commission free game, a player banker has an edge over the casino since the banker wins pushes). My high hand was worse than the dealer's hand, but the low hand was a "copy", meaning that I as the banker win the low hand and the overall hand result is a push. When the dealer took my chips, I tried to explain that it should be a push because I was the banker. When she disagreed, I asked her to call the floor. After also refusing to call the floor, I had to scream for the floor myself to correct the situation before the cards got scooped up and placed back in the automatic shuffler.
jimmtech... where the hell do you play?? Good Lord, at least if they're gonna take you money they should be civil!
I had about 25 min. to play at the Golden Nugget before leaving for the plane and was winning with things (dealing) coming along briskly when I ask: "so, where are you from?" Bad question. This lady all but put down the cards and went into a speal about how she was a native to Vegas, roller skated down Freemont, dated such and such's son and the list went on and on and on. I got a great history lesson and was stopped out at up 100 bucks.
shutupandplay!
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I had about 25 min. to play at the Golden Nugget before leaving for the plane and was winning with things (dealing) coming along briskly when I ask: "so, where are you from?" Bad question. This lady all but put down the cards and went into a speal about how she was a native to Vegas, roller skated down Freemont, dated such and such's son and the list went on and on and on. I got a great history lesson and was stopped out at up 100 bucks.
shutupandplay!
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