i know what your talking about, because sometimes your advantage goes down when the count goes up and vise versa, but a very small amount, to the point where you might want to ramp your bet by $1.. this happens at -21 and +21, at least according to bjstats or one of those sites.. but it sounds like maybe this is something different, because -21 tc and +21 tc are super super rare.. i do know that there is a difference from going from +1-2 compared to +2-3, and such, but you would still raise your bet, so i dunno, because your talking about raising your bet after the count goes even more negative right?aslan said:
Depth charging (according to Snyder) needs tp have strong strategy (i.e., LOTS of indices available) and is used to increase your BR while oppositional betting (again, according to Snyder) is pretty much useless except for camoflage in multi-deck games. (BinB, chapter 15).Geoff Hall said:
I've noticed that. The advantage seems not to be expecting any good cards but to know what to expect in general. Hitting a hard fourteen against dealers 2 up card could be a fair bet in a low low count.moo321 said:
It is not favourable to the player in a mathematical sense. It is purely a camouflage play. Varying your bets wildly in neutral counts and making illogical plays so that the pit identifies you as a ploppy, not a counter. Then when the count gets to your predetermined 'advantage' (maybe TC4) you make those large bets but keep making them or increasing them until the count falls back to TC1. It is a means of getting a very large spread without being noticed as a counter.aslan said:
I have been finding (could just be coincidence) that around -10 and lower in 2deck using IRC of -4 (KO) and around -24 or -25 in 6deck using an IRC of -20 (KO) I am able to raise my bet successfully. I use it to mask the rote ramping up at +1 through +4, which otherwise makes me feel totally naked. I try to establish that I bet erratically and am subject to raise my bet anywhere. Also, I sometimes double my unit bet on the first round out of the hat, because if the count breaks positive it is easy to follow up with a double or triple bet without arousing suspicion. Also, if the count goes positive early on with two or three players including myself, I might drop my bet in positive territory, but then swing it back up precipitously to further establish my erratic betting habits. I'm losing a little advantage maybe, but I can even jump immediately from 1X to 4X without question even when being watched. A pit guy was counting my table from the looks of his eyes and demenaor but my betting didn't even raise an eyebrow. A few minutes and he turned completely away from the table to find something more interesting than a sucker risking his hard earned money on senseless wagering. Gee! I hope he wasn't right in thinking that, because I don't know for sure if I am on solid ground. Anyway, the payoff was when I had something like a triple split and two double downs on on one hand at 4X to get me healthy from a long night of basic strategy plays that seemed like they were from hell.moo321 said:
What it is and how you use it successfully to mask your play. I thought, perhaps wrongly after hearing from zg, that it was raising your bet at certain negative counts where counterintuitively it actually favors the player. The two areas I remember were several points below the IRC, and a couple of points before the Key Count. The tactic I have used successfully, but which may be erroneously based on too few trials, is about 6 points and lower below the IRC. Everywhere else in negative territory seems disatrous, but like I said, I may have just been lucky.Paradox said:
I like this idea. Something I was doing was ignoring the first or second round in positive territory, but then jumping to the correct spread whether or not the count was going up or down. That's similar to but not exactly what you said, because I don't wait for the count to start going down.zengrifter said:
