Deviating from BS seems very risky...

[Dyepaintball12]

I have been thinking alot about it lately, and I was thinking:

Say your count says that you need to stand on a 12 v. a 10. Right when you did this, wouldnt the casino be like yep he's definitely a counter kick him out.

I mean some of the deviations must seem so rediculous that not even rediculous players would consider...

 

[twinturboguy]

I have been thinking alot about it lately, and I was thinking:

Say your count says that you need to stand on a 12 v. a 10. Right when you did this, wouldnt the casino be like yep he's definitely a counter kick him out.

I mean some of the deviations must seem so rediculous that not even rediculous players would consider...

There are other things that might give you off as a counter other than ridiculous playing variations such as betting techniques and body langauge. Other than those, you might of clicked them off to keep an eye on u from other things than a play like that.

Other than that, I'm curious to as what counting system are you using in order to make a play such as standing 12 vs 10. I guess some count systems would say "Hit the damn thing" unless your count is really high. A more suspecious play would be more of something like splitting 10s or taking insurance.

 

[ihate17]

Some deviations do not exist

Perhaps you used a bad example. I do not know the indice number where you stand on 12 vs dealer 10. The count must be so high that it make never happen but a few times in a lifetime. Actually, it probably does not exist because you would be surrendering at a lower count than standing. Surrender 12 vs a 10 at a count of over +13 and that is a true count! A ridiculously high true count that might come up very rarely but most counters do not bother learning things like this. The number for standing on a 12 must be over a true count of +20, if you are playing a no surrender game!

Most deviations used by counters are the same or very similar to the wrong plays you see amatuers use all the time.

ihate17

 

[Automatic Monkey]

...Most deviations used by counters are the same or very similar to the wrong plays you see amatuers use all the time.

ihate17

Exactly! How often do we see an unskilled player DD 9 vs. 2 or 11 vs. A in a S17 game? Or stand on 16 vs. 10?

The real giveaway for a counter is the spread. That's something we can't do too much about. It's sitting right out there for the duration of the hand, hard to miss.

But the only play that makes me a little nervous sometime is insure then surrender. The players and dealer give me this "What the hell?" look whenever I do it (and it does come up a lot) and there is no way I can explain to them what I did or why I did it without using technical terms that would betray my skill. Maybe I need to come up with some kind of cover story for that play.

 

[sagefr0g]

But the only play that makes me a little nervous sometime is insure then surrender. The players and dealer give me this "What the hell?" look whenever I do it (and it does come up a lot) and there is no way I can explain to them what I did or why I did it without using technical terms that would betray my skill. Maybe I need to come up with some kind of cover story for that play.

heh, heh yea i know what you mean. i had a similar situation the other day where i had two hands out. one a pat hand the other stiff. the dealer has an ace up. i took insurance on both hands. acting as if i didn't know how to place the insurance wager so as to look dumb. then the guy next to me tells me how to do it but advises me against insuring the stiff hand. i lost the insurance bet won the pat hand and lost the stiff. but if the stiff had of had the right index number going for it i would of surrendered it just as you say.

best regards,
mr fr0g