Don't you hate when...

Koz1984

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...you go to your local store with friends for dinner not anticipating any game play, finding a dealer who cuts about 3/4-1deck from 8, and then count a shoe for fun to get to +14 with 1.5 decks remaining...AND HAVING NONE OF YOUR BR ON YOU! So you just sit back and watch, cringing at the 20s and BJs coming out, and what could have been... :mad:
 

21gunsalute

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The other night I had a dealer who was only cutting off about 1/2 a deck, but I could never really take advantage of it because the count kept going negative immediately and would stay that way throughout almost every shoe. Damn AMS! :(
 

aslan

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A few days ago I find myself in a $25 game (S17 DOA DAS LS) and a high plus count and playing heads up. I am betting $250 and receive two 6's against a dealer 6. I split them. I receive a 4 on the first 6 and double down. I receive another 4. I hit a 10 on the second 6. Then the dealer turns a 4 and hits a 10 for a total of 20. The next round I spread to two hands. I receive a 6 as my first card on both hands against a dealer 10. I believe I hit a 10 on both, but whatever, I stood and lost both hands to a dealer 20. And so it goes.

Finally, down $2,400 I have $600 trip bankroll left and I spread to three hands of $200. I win all three and by the end of the shoe I have recouped $2,100. Wow!

I wish I had stopped there, but it's all one continuous shoe, "Right?" I ended up losing $1,000 back in a $10 game (same rules), mostly in another great plus count, with everyone else at the table getting tens and aces and me getting stiffs and losing every hand.

By this time I was ready to swear off counting forever. However, by the next day after a good night's sleep, I was ready to give it another try. And so it goes.
 
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Koz1984

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tensplitter said:
There's always an ATM. I never go to a casino without at least 1000 on me.
An ATM would have been a good idea, however, I doubt I could stop the dealer mid shoe and say "Hey you're at +14, let me quickly go to the ATM...if these two other players do not mind?" But looking at it retrospectively, I would have gone to the ATM BEFORE going to the tables. But like I said, I wasn't anticipating any play, just went to observe for a while and counted a shoe randomly for fun.
 

blackjack avenger

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Trip Resizing

aslan said:
A few days ago I find myself in a $25 game (S17 DOA DAS LS) and a high plus count and playing heads up. I am betting $250 and receive two 6's against a dealer 6. I split them. I receive a 4 on the first 6 and double down. I receive another 4. I hit a 10 on the second 6. Then the dealer turns a 4 and hits a 10 for a total of 20. The next round I spread to two hands. I receive a 6 as my first card on both hands against a dealer 10. I believe I hit a 10 on both, but whatever, I stood and lost both hands to a dealer 20. And so it goes.

Finally, down $2,400 I have $600 trip bankroll left and I spread to three hands of $200. I win all three and by the end of the shoe I have recouped $2,100. Wow!

I wish I had stopped there, but it's all one continuous shoe, "Right?" I ended up losing $1,000 back in a $10 game (same rules), mostly in another great plus count, with everyone else at the table getting tens and aces and me getting stiffs and losing every hand.

By this time I was ready to swear off counting forever. However, by the next day after a good night's sleep, I was ready to give it another try. And so it goes.
It appears you need to bring more money with you on your trips. Also, if faced with a dwindling trip bank during a trip you need to cut your bets so you can keep playing. If you bust out on trips that have high expenses you coud turn into a losing long run player. To take your last $600 and spread to 3 hands was truly bad, what if you got a spl? Your advantage was not as high as you thought because you could not split. Also the dogma seems to be that 2 hands is superior to 3.
:joker::whip:
 

BJgenius007

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aslan said:
I wish I had stopped there, but it's all one continuous shoe, "Right?" I ended up losing $1,000 back in a $10 game (same rules), mostly in another great plus count, with everyone else at the table getting tens and aces and me getting stiffs and losing every hand.
That happened to me last Friday. The true count was very high, so I jumped to 12x of my original bet while everyone else was still at the minimal bet. Guess what! I kept getting stiff hands and watched everybody else getting Blackjack and 20. I kept getting 12, 13, 14 and bust after getting a card. I wonder if he could direct the negative energy towards one person who bets the most because winning that bet can pay everyone else and house still makes money.
 

paddywhack

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Big oops

Koz1984 said:
...you go to your local store with friends for dinner not anticipating any game play, finding a dealer who cuts about 3/4-1deck from 8, and then count a shoe for fun to get to +14 with 1.5 decks remaining...AND HAVING NONE OF YOUR BR ON YOU! So you just sit back and watch, cringing at the 20s and BJs coming out, and what could have been... :mad:
You absolutely never know when opportunity will knock but you must be prepared if it does.

I NEVER enter a casino without a decent sized trip BR just for that reason. A little scouting around can lead to some great +ev for those who are looking for it or if you are in the right place at the right time.
 

aslan

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blackjack avenger said:
It appears you need to bring more money with you on your trips. Also, if faced with a dwindling trip bank during a trip you need to cut your bets so you can keep playing. If you bust out on trips that have high expenses you coud turn into a losing long run player. To take your last $600 and spread to 3 hands was truly bad, what if you got a spl? Your advantage was not as high as you thought because you could not split. Also the dogma seems to be that 2 hands is superior to 3.
:joker::whip:
Well, I did switch to a lower bet after that--a $10 min game. But what happened here was an anomaly with me losing hand after hand in a high count until back against the wall I was down to my last $600 and not thinking too logically. I probably should not have played more than two hands, but at least playing more hands conserves cards, meaning that I get to see a lot more cards than the dealer. But you're absolutely right that if I had a split or double down, I would not have had the cash to bet it. Dummy! :whip::whip: One should never throw in the towel.
 

tensplitter

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I'm going to Pittsburgh next weekend for a football game. Near Heinz Field is the Rivers Casino. Since I'm an AP, of course I'm going to visit that casino and take advantage of its new member bonuses if available, and play the minimum amount needed to waive its game-day parking fee (I'd rather play $50 on video poker than $25 to park). I don't plan to spend hours playing there since I'll only be in Pittsburgh for a day with friends who don't like to gamble. But if I back count a shoe while visiting that casino, I'll be bummed if it shoots up to a high count and I have only $50 in my wallet (If that were the case I'd still play the high count shoe at the minimum bet because I want to get some +ev action).
 

aslan

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tensplitter said:
I'm going to Pittsburgh next weekend for a football game. Near Heinz Field is the Rivers Casino. Since I'm an AP, of course I'm going to visit that casino and take advantage of its new member bonuses if available, and play the minimum amount needed to waive its game-day parking fee (I'd rather play $50 on video poker than $25 to park). I don't plan to spend hours playing there since I'll only be in Pittsburgh for a day with friends who don't like to gamble. But if I back count a shoe while visiting that casino, I'll be bummed if it shoots up to a high count and I have only $50 in my wallet (If that were the case I'd still play the high count shoe at the minimum bet because I want to get some +ev action).
To me that IS the long range consideration, but is pretty much meaningless as a single or short number of acts within the very short range. If you have a 3% edge, you won't be criticized by me for going "all in." For one thing, you DO have an advantage, which is +EV. And secondly, you're not risking ruin of your bankroll, which you did not bring, only your insufficient "trip bankroll." Do what you want, but when faced with a case of betting a 3% edge to the max (save enough aside to cover a double down or split), I would bet as much as I can without jeopardizing my larger bankroll. BTW, I presume you mean to play a $10 game; otherwise the $50 premise is meaningless since in a $25 game you would have to keep aside half of it to cover the possibility of a split or double down, not that 3% isn't +EV in and of itself.
 

Sharky

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aslan said:
...(S17 DOA DAS LS)...a high plus count...I receive a 6 as my first card on both hands against a dealer 10. I believe I hit a 10 on both, but whatever, I stood and lost both hands ....
SURRENDER!!!

also agree w/ having $ for splits and doubles
 

aslan

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Sharky said:
SURRENDER!!!

also agree w/ having $ for splits and doubles
Thinking back, yes I did surrender, so I only lost half as much. I surrendered at every opportunity to do so. Thanks for your eagle eye on this. Surrender is the best part of the PA games. If you can also get good pen, you have a game that keeps on giving.
 

bj21abc

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I remember a great quote about days like this (was it from Bob Dancer's book?) - "feels like you've just been run over by a bus with the license plate HAHAHA"

D.

aslan said:
A few days ago I find myself in a $25 game (S17 DOA DAS LS) and a high plus count and playing heads up. I am betting $250 and receive two 6's against a dealer 6. I split them. I receive a 4 on the first 6 and double down. I receive another 4. I hit a 10 on the second 6. Then the dealer turns a 4 and hits a 10 for a total of 20. The next round I spread to two hands. I receive a 6 as my first card on both hands against a dealer 10. I believe I hit a 10 on both, but whatever, I stood and lost both hands to a dealer 20. And so it goes.

Finally, down $2,400 I have $600 trip bankroll left and I spread to three hands of $200. I win all three and by the end of the shoe I have recouped $2,100. Wow!

I wish I had stopped there, but it's all one continuous shoe, "Right?" I ended up losing $1,000 back in a $10 game (same rules), mostly in another great plus count, with everyone else at the table getting tens and aces and me getting stiffs and losing every hand.

By this time I was ready to swear off counting forever. However, by the next day after a good night's sleep, I was ready to give it another try. And so it goes.
 

tensplitter

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aslan said:
To me that IS the long range consideration, but is pretty much meaningless as a single or short number of acts within the very short range. If you have a 3% edge, you won't be criticized by me for going "all in." For one thing, you DO have an advantage, which is +EV. And secondly, you're not risking ruin of your bankroll, which you did not bring, only your insufficient "trip bankroll." Do what you want, but when faced with a case of betting a 3% edge to the max (save enough aside to cover a double down or split), I would bet as much as I can without jeopardizing my larger bankroll. BTW, I presume you mean to play a $10 game; otherwise the $50 premise is meaningless since in a $25 game you would have to keep aside half of it to cover the possibility of a split or double down, not that 3% isn't +EV in and of itself.
I meant I'd play a $10 game. Even with a $50 bankroll and a +5 true count, I'd take a shot at that high count by betting $10 a hand till the count drops to 0 or I lose my $50. It would be nice to win an extra $50 when not intending to play at all, but I wouldn't get over the fact that I could have won hundreds. Which is why I'll take $1000 with me to Pittsburgh even if I don't end up playing anything, and I will balk at a ridiculous $25 parking fee even though I have $1000 in my wallet. If they require a certain amount of play to get free parking, then I'll play some video poker. The expected loss of just paying the parking fee would be $25, but the expected loss of playing $50 through VP is $1.
 
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