Double attack blackjack

[xxrenegadexx]

Hello everyone!!!... I asked Ken about this game ... he wasnt familar really ... but i figure a few of you AP players might have something to say.... go down to AC on a sat. and you'll find packed tables EXCEPT for a double attack tables.... now they remove numerical tens and bj is only even money(terrible)... but if you can WONG.... and get a very nice count i think this game can be taken advantage of.... the "bust it" bonus bet(when the dealer bust in three cards) can be taken advantage of with a very nice count..... im gonna post the rules for the game ... you guys let me know what you think....



Double Attack Blackjack is dealt primarily in Atlantic City casinos. The game is a variation of Spanish 21 that pays even money on a blackjack and gives the player the opportunity to DOUBLE THEIR INITAIL WAGER after SEEING the dealer's upcard. The game also offers a bonus side bet (called Bust It!)on whether or not the dealer will bust on the third card. This side bet is must be made before the dealer's up card is dealt, and pays out based on the rank of the card dealt. The bet only pays off if the dealer busts on the third card, and the payoffs are as follow:

Third card is a ten. Pays off 3 to 1.
Third card is a nine. Pays off 6 to 1.
Third card is an eight. Pays off 8 to 1.
Third card is a seven. Pays off 10 to 1.
Third card is a six. Pays off 15 to 1.
There is an additional payoff if the dealer has an eight in the hand and gets another eight of the same color or suit and busts. Those payoffs are as follows:

The eight is the same color. Pays off 50 to 1.
The eight is the same suit. Pays off 200 to 1.

 

[Cardcounter]

I smell a real suckers game!

With 4 tens removed from the deck the count already starts at -4 and the percentage of the dealer busting goes down dramatically as well as the number of blackjacks. In this game with perfect basic stragedy I would put the house advantage around 3% compare that to even an average blackjack game with a house advantage with perfect basic stragedy of .5% and you have a house advantage that is 6 times greater for this game. Even at times when the deck is really rich in high cards I believe that the even money pay off on blackjack will still put you at a playing a disadvantage game in almost every game in the Casino the player is at a disadvantage this is how the casino make their money. Insurnace in this game is almost never profitable even at the point you think it would be for regular blackjack.

 

[Sonny]

Everything you need to know is right here:

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=2619

-Sonny-

 

[xxrenegadexx]

With 4 tens removed from the deck the count already starts at -4 and the percentage of the dealer busting goes down dramatically as well as the number of blackjacks. In this game with perfect basic stragedy I would put the house advantage around 3% compare that to even an average blackjack game with a house advantage with perfect basic stragedy of .5% and you have a house advantage that is 6 times greater for this game. Even at times when the deck is really rich in high cards I believe that the even money pay off on blackjack will still put you at a playing a disadvantage game in almost every game in the Casino the player is at a disadvantage this is how the casino make their money. Insurnace in this game is almost never profitable even at the point you think it would be for regular blackjack.

You are correct about the terrible blackjack payoff.... but im suggesting NEVER to sit and play shuffle to shuffle.... ONLY WONG.... of course you start with a terrible running count of -24.... the count will even out but you need to wait for a positive count.... i believe the "bust it" side bet will very profitable with a good count... also the ability to double your bet after seeing the dealers upcard is a great advantage

 

[xxrenegadexx]

i left out the fact that the player can surrender at anypoint

 

[Cardcounter]

Questions?

In most blackjack games you can double your bet after seeing the dealers hole card and after seeing your two cards what is your point there?
Analazing the buster side betin different counts is really tough. Although it is true if the dealer is showing a drawing card 2-6 he will bust more often in higher counts you don't have the luxury of seeing the dealers whole card before making the bet. The third part of the buster side bet is the dealer has to break on exactly 3 cards for this to be possible the deal has to start with a stiff 12-16 in order for there to be lot of stiffs to appear there has to be some of the low cards left in the deck. Even if the dealer gets a stiff busting on the first card is not all that likely.

 

[xxrenegadexx]

im not talking about a double down.... the first card dealt in the hand is the face up dealer card before players get any cards they can double their bets... after that it is dealt like normal blackjack and you could double down if you want at any point or surrender at any point

 

[Preston]

In most blackjack games you can double your bet after seeing the dealers hole card and after seeing your two cards what is your point there?
Analazing the buster side betin different counts is really tough. Although it is true if the dealer is showing a drawing card 2-6 he will bust more often in higher counts you don't have the luxury of seeing the dealers whole card before making the bet. The third part of the buster side bet is the dealer has to break on exactly 3 cards for this to be possible the deal has to start with a stiff 12-16 in order for there to be lot of stiffs to appear there has to be some of the low cards left in the deck. Even if the dealer gets a stiff busting on the first card is not all that likely.

The dealer draws the first card. Say you have a $50 bet riding on the hand. Based upon the dealer's up card you can now double your bet BEFORE you see your hand. If you get an 11 you can double both of the bets. Hence you would get to quadruple down.

That, if played correctly, could be VERY advantageous.

Other than that the game isn't very good. EVen with surrender.