Easy count & betting

[pogostick]

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[johnnyb]

I have slight problem> I have been counting for about 5 years & practiced the running count until I thought was good enough for actual play. What a theatrical event that was, lost count the first deal. I now count after the hands have been dealt by pairing leaving the dealer's hand last. I can count 6 hands in 3 seconds , love it when I get a slow dealer. I also count after cards have been dealt by staying with dealer from first to last base & only count when player is dealt his last hit card . Example player hand 5,4,3 2,10 , I just say 3 instead of plus 1, plus 2, plus 3, plus 4 ,plus 3 .of course any minus would be the same way instead I have to say m -. I am trying to figure out which system is better >dealer BJ is a problem sometimes using the second one. I use counting as a tool but not my only tool. Example ,dealing out of a 6 deck shoe one deck is cut out of play . A lot of times the front is loaded with + cards & playing minim bet will give me minim win while the count goes negative . Go ahead & poo poo on this one but in the beginning I have started doubling my bet from $15 to 30 dropping back to $15 after a lost. I do this for appx the first deck dealt then bet accordingly to the count. I use the red seven system & love it. Anybody have a better counting method ? Pogo

Please forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think it has been thoroughly discussed in the forums on which systems give you the best performance during shoe games. Try the ZEN count or OmegaII.

The reason I commented on only this is because most of what you said didn't really make sense at all

 

[Wookets]

A lot of times the front is loaded with + cards & playing minim bet will give me minim win while the count goes negative . Go ahead & poo poo on this one but in the beginning I have started doubling my bet from $15 to 30 dropping back to $15 after a lost.

Having a 2 unit bet out after a fresh shuffle is illogical (unless it's for cover purposes and/or a PB is nearby). Counters gain their advantage by betting higher when they have an advantage. At the start of the shoe, you have no information regarding the composition of the cards to be dealt, and thus you have no knowledge of an advantage. Even though the front of the decks you've played seems to be rich in high cards, in reality you're just exploiting random noise. Wait until the count warrants a bet increase before you put more chips on the table.

As for different counting systems, if you're looking for counts of similar difficulty (i.e. not OMEGA II or Zen), try KO. It is easier to use than Red 7 because you don't need to keep track of colors, and performs slightly better as well as long as the penetration isn't abysmal (in which case you shouldn't be playing the game anyway).

 

[pogostick]

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Sorry guys ! I did a shitty job of explaining myself ,but I had the biggest win ever last week . I was at a $15 table & the front was loaded with + cards. Since the count was neg , I only played min bet . I have noticed this has happened several times before ,so I just started doubling my bet & fall back after a lost. I only do this for the first deck then bet according to the count for the rest of 6 deck shoe. Yes,it may not be book ,but by luck & counting I won more than I every had in a 2 day trip. Even had luck on the crap table with a 30 minute roll . Thats another story. Pogo

 

[SuperD]

Have you tried counting the cards as the players receive their second card. This will allow you to still group the first two cards together and then you could just group the remaining hit cards together when players take hits. This would eliminate the problem of trying to count all dealt cards very quickly when the dealer flips over a BJ.

I agree with Wookets as far as doubling your bet at start of the shoe. There is no reason to do this except for cover. This will sometimes allow you to have a larger spread by increasing from a double bet on positive counts and lowering to a single bet on negative, but to double your bet because you believe the high cards are going to come out first will not benifit you. The will be an equal number of times where a majority of small cards come out at the begining of the shoe, unless you are shuffle tracking or using some other advantage to know more high cards are coming out at the start of the shoe.

 

[pogostick]

Have you tried counting the cards as the players receive their second card. This will allow you to still group the first two cards together and then you could just group the remaining hit cards together when players take hits. This would eliminate the problem of trying to count all dealt cards very quickly when the dealer flips over a BJ.

I agree with Wookets as far as doubling your bet at start of the shoe. There is no reason to do this except for cover. This will sometimes allow you to have a larger spread by increasing from a double bet on positive counts and lowering to a single bet on negative, but to double your bet because you believe the high cards are going to come out first will not benifit you. The will be an equal number of times where a majority of small cards come out at the begining of the shoe, unless you are shuffle tracking or using some other advantage to know more high cards are coming out at the start of the shoe.

You're right, , there is no reason to double my bet after a win on the first deck dealt. This is just something I started doing just to break the monopoly Of trying to get the advantage of a 6 deck shoe . I will not try to justify my betting system LOL & thank's for the useful info on the second card dealt. I have used that method,but for some reason started pairing after the deal ? OH yes! I will start using knockout also ,just got stuck on red seven. Thank's for the come back . Pogo

 

[winnawinna]

You're right, , there is no reason to double my bet after a win on the first deck dealt. This is just something I started doing just to break the monopoly Of trying to get the advantage of a 6 deck shoe . I will not try to justify my betting system LOL & thank's for the useful info on the second card dealt. I have used that method,but for some reason started pairing after the deal ? OH yes! I will start using knockout also ,just got stuck on red seven. Thank's for the come back . Pogo

Pogo, I use the R7 and love it. I would not switch to anything else. I do disagree in that its weaker than KO. I use a true counted R7 with similar indices to Hi-Lo. It works great and is super easy to use. Like yourself when I go on a winning streak (3+ hands) I start increasing my bet regardles of the count. They call it opposition betting. I have had my longest winning streak in a negative count.

 

[pogostick]

Pogo, I use the R7 and love it. I would not switch to anything else. I do disagree in that its weaker than KO. I use a true counted R7 with similar indices to Hi-Lo. It works great and is super easy to use. Like yourself when I go on a winning streak (3+ hands) I start increasing my bet regardles of the count. They call it opposition betting. I have had my longest winning streak in a negative count.

I know ! so many different opinions on counting. Have all these weapons going into battle ,guess I will chose the one I feel comfortable with. Being using R7 for the last couple of years ,but just started increasing my bet on the first deck dealt after a win not matter what the count is. Keeps heat off also LOL Thank's > Pogo