Even money pressure!

[Cardcounter]

There are a lot of dealers and players out there that know it is correct to take even money after all you can't lose. When you don't take it they acted surprised and they think you are a dumb. If the dealer does happen to get a blackjack and I happened to decline even money and the dealer ask me why. My new response is because I'm an idiot.

P.S. I know that you A.P.'s out there say no it is not correct to take even money and you are right! However the average player is missed informed about this and will usually take even money. Plus they usually want other players to play the same way they would.

 

[Bojack1]

There are a lot of dealers and players out there that know it is correct to take even money. When you don't take it they acted surprised and think who is this dumb ass? If the dealer does happen to get a blackjack and I happened to decline even money and the dealer ask me why. My new response is because I'm an idiot.

I've got be honest, I have no idea what your saying here. Yes it is correct to take even money once in a while when the count mandates it. But is far from a given to take it every time. As a matter of fact that is a very big mistake to take even money when the count does not call for it. So exactly what are you trying to say here?

 

[Sonny]

It makes sense if you change some of the words around. Allow me to translate:

There are a lot of dealers and players out there that think it is correct to take even money. When you don't take it they acted surprised and think "who is this dumb ass?" If the dealer doesn't get a blackjack and they ask me why I declined even money, my new response is "Because I'm an idiot."

-Sonny-

 

[GeorgeD]

It makes sense if you change some of the words around. Allow me to translate:



-Sonny-

And some even say "It's the only sure bet in the casino". Well, yes, but .....

 

[EasyRhino]

yes, it's sort of a zen koan to interpret the true meaning of the original post.

Sometimes I'll just bridle up and defensively say "I DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD IT!"

Actually, I'm a big fan of "because I'm an idiot" to explain a lot of things, along with "I got greedy" and "I am too stupid to live".

 

[bj bob]

Wat to go, Sonny!

It makes sense if you change some of the words around. Allow me to translate:



-Sonny-

Your translation is fantasic. No wonder Ken annointed you to super moderator. Keep up the good work. Maybe now you can interpret some of Zg's alien/ hybrid threads (good luck with that!).

 

[shadroch]

I've always found it pretty ironic that the only sure bet the casino offers is actually one of the worse bets you can make.

 

[ihate17]

Sonny speaks cardcounter

It makes sense if you change some of the words around. Allow me to translate:



-Sonny-

Nice talent.

 

[jack.jackson]

Chainsaw juggler!

Nice talent.

Maybe he decided hes better at this, than juggling chainsaws. I heard he's missing both arms:laugh:

 

[EmeraldCityBJ]

I usually like saying something like "I want time and a half for my BJ". I also like this quote whenever I walk by a 6:5 game.

 

[glovesetc]

my best line is

Hey I am here to gamble - if i wanted to take out insurance I would of called my agent before I left home !!!!! :grin: :cool2:

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

There are a lot of dealers and players out there that know it is correct to take even money after all you can't lose. When you don't take it they acted surprised and they think you are a dumb. If the dealer does happen to get a blackjack and I happened to decline even money and the dealer ask me why. My new response is because I'm an idiot.

P.S. I know that you A.P.'s out there say no it is not correct to take even money and you are right! However the average player is missed informed about this and will usually take even money. Plus they usually want other players to play the same way they would.

im also confused, as you contradicted yourself, but sonny's translation helped.. just wondering, where are you from? i can tell english wasnt your first langauge, so im wondering how long youve been speaking english? if you say under 10 years, im impressed, as english is a hard language

I've got be honest, I have no idea what your saying here. Yes it is correct to take even money once in a while when the count mandates it. But is far from a given to take it every time. As a matter of fact that is a very big mistake to take even money when the count does not call for it. So exactly what are you trying to say here?

yup

It makes sense if you change some of the words around. Allow me to translate:

-Sonny-

ya, that makes sense, but then again cc doesnt always make sense, so you could be wrong, and he could actually be saying that taking even money is good for a bs player, and that APs are wrong

And some even say "It's the only sure bet in the casino". Well, yes, but .....

you know what also is a sure bet? betting all 38 numbers in roulette..

 

[Mr. T]

Where I play just about everybody takes even money.
When they ask me I just give them a straight answer.
I am playing by the book.
Why do you have to invent all these idiotic replies.

 

[ihate17]

Because you never want them to know you know

Where I play just about everybody takes even money.
When they ask me I just give them a straight answer.
I am playing by the book.
Why do you have to invent all these idiotic replies.

Been playing between 350-500 hours per year for nearly 30 years and I generously guess that about 1% of blackjack players actually know "the book", transalated as basic strategy.

If you play in a place seldom, you never want them to think you really know BS. If you are fingered as a BS player who spreads, you easily could be fingered for review as a counter.
Now, if you play in a place often you may not be able to hide that you know BS and will need other types of cover if you play high enough to test their tolerance level.

Anyway, the less you seem to know or admit to know, the better off you should be.

ihate17

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Where I play just about everybody takes even money.
When they ask me I just give them a straight answer.
I am playing by the book.
Why do you have to invent all these idiotic replies.

i say even if you are counting, just tell the truth to another player.. at the same time i feel you have a lot of (cant think of the word) to be able to sit there and let people ridicule you for playing "wrong".. i was being attacked at the table, and when i let them know i was counting, they all shut up and looked at me like i was some kind of genius, which is hilarious because being a card counter hardly requires being a genius, which i sure the hell am not, as well as most counters..

also, another thing, you may think you are being smart by acting dumb, but the players may complain about you so badly that the pit starts watching to make sure no fights erupt, at which point they realize your counting (its a longshot, but it seems thats what a lot of heat is based on, longshots).. and if your a BS player? you have absolutely no reason to act dumb, other than you love pissing off ploppies, which you can still do by telling them how wrong they are, and somewhat proving it.. bottom line, dont let another player insult you..

 

[Kasi]

As a matter of fact that is a very big mistake to take even money when the count does not call for it.

I've always considered the cost to a BS of always taking even money as very minimal and a very good play to consider as camouflage if you are counting.

I mean like what does it cost if u always do it - maybe less than $1.50 for every $10K wagered? Maybe 8 cents an hour to a $10 BS better?

And much less costly than stuff like always standing on 16 vs 10 even though that is such a close play and one might likely think it doesn't matter what you do on that hand.

 

[rdorange]

Insurance has house advantage

Am I mistaken by saying insurance has an edge in favor for the house? They wouldn't offer it if they didn't get an advantage. If you are not counting, and don't know when the time is right, then the best thing is to decline, as this is just another sucker bet. If you are counting and you accept it, you normally have a high + count and a large bet out. Hence if you take the insurance, you sound like a ploppy and say, I'm just protecting my big bet!

I just reread the initial post addressing even money.... If the count was high + you already had a big bet out because the favorable cards were due. You both appear to have Bj so take the even money. If the count was low - and you had a small bet out and did not expect the Bj, then he probably (you hope) does not have a Bj and should decline even money. In this case you are risking a smaller bet loss for a small increased win. Is this logic/strategy correct?

 

[EasyRhino]

The reason taking "even money" isn't that expensive of a mistake is that the opportunity doesn't happen that often where you have a BJ and the dealer has an ace up. If you took insurance/even money on every opportunity... it would get expensive very quickly.

 

[Dopple]

In Andersons "Burning the Tables" book he says insuring blackjack is inexpensive cover because you will quite often want it when the count is high and you have alot bet.

 

[Cardcounter]

As a dealer I discourage insurance!

When somebody doesn't take even money and I don't have a blackjack I say smart move way to get the extra money. Or if other players give him a hard time I say hay he made the right move.