Exclusively Wonging to make Big money

[Dyepaintball12]

Now I have been thinking about this more and more, and I want to see if this makes sense to anyone else.

Now I have never been in a position where I have been able to count in a casino, but I seem to learn alot about it. Now from what I hear, Wonging is just backcounting behind a table and going in when the count is high and then wonging out when it is low.

So, my question is, instead of playing for hours and hours of say $50 top bets, why not only go in for say 1 hand when the count is like +8 or more and bet like $500.

Chances are your going to win the hand, and then if u did this twice ud already be up a grand. And since ur playing so little, wouldnt it be hard to get caught by the casino?

Any problems with this?

 

[Mikeaber]

The only comment I can give here is that just because the count is high, it doesn't mean you are going to win the hand.

Believe me, I experienced just that effect yesterday and the night before. I was playing a 6-deck shoe game and Wonged out at the appropriate exit points and came in as it reached the advantage point (Key Count as it is known with KO). I won some of the positive-count/high-count hands but at the end of my "session" I was down 100 units! The hands that should have given me the balance in profit, I lost....double downs with high counts...it sucked!

The point is, you certainly wouldn't want to over bet your bankroll on one hand such as you suggested no matter what the count was!

Now I have been thinking about this more and more, and I want to see if this makes sense to anyone else.

Now I have never been in a position where I have been able to count in a casino, but I seem to learn alot about it. Now from what I hear, Wonging is just backcounting behind a table and going in when the count is high and then wonging out when it is low.

So, my question is, instead of playing for hours and hours of say $50 top bets, why not only go in for say 1 hand when the count is like +8 or more and bet like $500.

Chances are your going to win the hand, and then if u did this twice ud already be up a grand. And since ur playing so little, wouldnt it be hard to get caught by the casino?

Any problems with this?

 

[sagefr0g]

The only comment I can give here is that just because the count is high, it doesn't mean you are going to win the hand.

Believe me, I experienced just that effect yesterday and the night before. I was playing a 6-deck shoe game and Wonged out at the appropriate exit points and came in as it reached the advantage point (Key Count as it is known with KO). I won some of the positive-count/high-count hands but at the end of my "session" I was down 100 units! The hands that should have given me the balance in profit, I lost....double downs with high counts...it sucked!

The point is, you certainly wouldn't want to over bet your bankroll on one hand such as you suggested no matter what the count was!

exactly, diepaint must guard against the idea that a big advantage quarantee's a win. it most certainly does not. diepaint needs vigilantly guard against the temptation to overbet. well we all need such vigilance. let us not throw ROR considerations and our bet scheme out the window when we percieve a high advantage.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[ortango]

- bigger hands mean bigger flux
- backcounting (instead of a spotter) and jumping in with big bets is too obvious
- it would be boring to sit around all day to play one hand, and most people done drive hours to play one hand

but then again I read that Stanford Wong normally only wongs in....

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Now I have been thinking about this more and more, and I want to see if this makes sense to anyone else.

Now I have never been in a position where I have been able to count in a casino, but I seem to learn alot about it. Now from what I hear, Wonging is just backcounting behind a table and going in when the count is high and then wonging out when it is low.

So, my question is, instead of playing for hours and hours of say $50 top bets, why not only go in for say 1 hand when the count is like +8 or more and bet like $500.

Chances are your going to win the hand, and then if u did this twice ud already be up a grand. And since ur playing so little, wouldnt it be hard to get caught by the casino?

Any problems with this?

Sure. There are some players who only play positive EV hands. I'll play like this in Atlantic City sometimes.

But why wait for a count of +8? What's wrong with a count of +2, that's positive EV too.

 

[SystemsTrader]

DyePaint I almost exclusively wong so I pretty much only play positive hands. Believe me high counts guarantee nothing. The only thing I can promise with backcounting is that the swings in your account are going to be a lot larger on both the positive and negative sides because wongers always have max bets or close to max bets on the table. So if you cannot handle huge swings in your account this won't be the method for you? I have lost as many as 8 hands in a row with my max bet out backcounting.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

DyePaint I almost exclusively wong so I pretty much only play positive hands. Believe me high counts guarantee nothing. The only thing I can promise with backcounting is that the swings in your account are going to be a lot larger on both the positive and negative sides because wongers always have max bets or close to max bets on the table. So if you cannot handle huge swings in your account this won't be the method for you? I have lost as many as 8 hands in a row with my max bet out backcounting.

You can balance this out a bit by dropping your max bet a little. Not playing the negative hands will more than make up for it in terms of dollars won. Wonging works best in large stores where there is always a new shoe starting. Also if you are backcounting don't be afraid to start at a shoe where a hand or two has already been dealt.

But still, last time out playing like this I lost 68 units, with a 8 unit max.

 

[zengrifter]

So, my question is, instead of playing for hours and hours of say $50 top bets, why not only go in for say 1 hand when the count is like +8 or more and bet like $500.

Chances are your going to win the hand, and then if u did this twice ud already be up a grand. And since ur playing so little, wouldnt it be hard to get caught by the casino?

Your proposal would likely consititute OVERBETTING in the extreme. You may flatbet-wong, but your topBet should still be no higher than your typical properly calibrated topBet. A small spread, even just 1-3, and entering earlier like +2 is preferrable. zg

 

[Sonny]

So, my question is, instead of playing for hours and hours of say $50 top bets, why not only go in for say 1 hand when the count is like +8 or more and bet like $500.

That is a winning system, but it is not very efficient. You will probably only see one hand of +8 after several hours of watching. Here are a few examples:

Wonger:
Plays $100 @ TC => +2 (2% advantage)
Plays 25 hands per hour

Mr. Finicky:
Plays $500 @ TC => +8 (5% advantage)
Plays 0.5 hands per hour

After 4 hours of play they expect:

Wonger = $100 * 25 * 4 * 0.02 = $200
Mr. Finicky = $500 * 0.5 * 4 * 0.05 = $50

The finicky player just doesn’t play enough hands to make much money. He is wasting many of the positive situations where he has an advantage. By not getting any money on the table he is not winning any money. That is why proportional betting will always give the highest win rate. You have to adjust your bets to take advantage of the small but frequent advantages as well as the large but rare advantages.

-Sonny-

 

[Quinc]

i got caught "wonging" the first time i ever played in reno after i learned hi/lo back when i was 18 it was great i won 3 hands in a row and thought i had figuared out my new career.. well after the third hand the dealer told me she new what i was doing and i had to leave.. but i still won 60$ woohoo. i do still do this when i go with freinds and i will pretend like i have never played and when the dealer asks if i want to play i say i'm still trying to learn the game. then after watching and watching i get to a good postive count and i will jump in.

how do you guys keep from getting caught??

 

[sagefr0g]

i got caught "wonging" the first time i ever played in reno after i learned hi/lo back when i was 18 ......

how do you guys keep from getting caught??

i can't wong in much at my local joint. what i do is really mix up my action. in my mind i think i'm keepin the pit guessing as to what i'm up to. i'll play all only rarely then i wonging out a lot and if i think i can swing it i'll wong in.
one time in Indiana i was wonging into a quarter table. doing pretty good then the pit boss gives me this look. i mean it was one of the most intense glares i've ever seen . i just sort of drifted away from that action and melted into the woodwork so to speak. :laugh:

best regards,
mr fr0g