"fabulous" vegas

[Stuart Wild]

Like people might not know yet but I moved to Vegas a few months ago and have gone to a few barrings already. Pitbosses! They walk like drunk frogs thinking they are big items!! Hell no. It is over being the nice guy. You are strong when you are open. People tend to get a lot of training based upon certain situations, but spontanius action confuses most of people because it demands a thought for yourself. Something what can contribute to a lot of frustration. And... what is better then punishing those people you are not able to deal with. How weak is that.

This time it is the Plaza. They were watching because I was wonging around the tables to get some action. One of those puppies enters the table telling me that from now on I can only flat bet from the beginning at the shoe. The man in charge told me that we both waste our time. Is that true? First of all you waste your time at any stage whenever there is something unfair about doing your job.

I really think that they can threat a lot of people with those powergames but not me!! It is illigal to tell people that in a constitution were freedom is preached, you can not play blackjack. Freedom stops whenever money becomes an issue. Vegas oh ..."fabulous" Vegas. You should live at fremond street for a while!!

I wonder if anyone can advise me in this matter. I do not commit a crime and because of that I have to be threated like everybody else. Any lawyers advise here?

 

[The Mayor]

Advice

Caveats, I am not a lawyer, and my memory is not very good for these facts:

>It is illigal to tell people that in a constitution were freedom is preached, you can not play blackjack.

There is something called the "Friendly hands law" which permits privately owned companies to deny service. This is typically used by bars to expel drunken or unruly customers, but casinos use this same law to expel advantage players.

Except:

1) if you are a member of a "protected class" or disabled, in which case you can sue for this denial of service.

2) there is "contract law" which says that once you have been allowed to buy chips to play a game, the casino has agreed to an implicit contract to let you play. Therefore, unless you do something illegal or dispruptive, this contract is binding. The contract law argument has never been tested but many legal experts agree it is sound. If this argument won in court it would lead to much more frequent "tresspassings" - something that we definitely don't want.

3) in some states the casinos have been forbidden to apply the friendly-hands law to card counters. These states include New Jersey and (I think) Missouri. Kenny Uston attempted to force Nevada casinos to let him play blackjack, but he ended up dead before his case went anywhere.

Best wishes with your gaming career -- it is a tough road.

--Mayor

 

[SonOfBeve]

Who you gonna call?

Nevada Gaming!!! If you have questions regarding the legality of what happens to you in a casino, call nevada gaming. Maybe your making it too obvious that you are an advantage player. Anyone can count cards, its covering up the fact that takes real skill.

 

[Hal Jordan]

Balance...

It sounds like you need to read Burning the Tables. Your post sounds anything but symbiotic. This field is all about give and take. You need them, and they need you.

HJ

 

[The Mayor]

How exactly...

How exactly do they *need* us? If every advantage player on the planet were to suddenly stop going to casinos, I hardly think the casinos would complain.

 

[T21]

Cover, Cover, Cover........

Hello,

If your an advantage player, and are succesfull at playing with an advantage, then the answer is really easy.

Think of confidence men, drug smugglers,and money launders. It's a cat and mouse game. These type of men/women make lots of money from there works, but eventually most get cought. Same as a card counter. However, when we get caught we don't look at going to prison.

The casinos look for us like the Department of Justice looks for criminal enterprizes that do not support taxation for our goverment. I.E. The US looses money. So, most of the crooks will hide there actions and go to great lengths of camoflauge and counter servalence to continue their works, and make lots of money.

Now we as counters must camouflage ourselfs from the casinos as like the people above. Now it's not fair that they won't let you play because your good, and I agree. I would be willing to bet you looked like Clyde the Counter, and not Ted the Tourist. That's a quote from BBIBJ "Snyder". DON'T LOOK LIKE A COUNTER.

T21

 

[phantom007]

FRIENDLY HANDS LAW......

Cost me an extra "Red" chip, but that hooker that I picked up at Slots-A-Fun (yes, PUN INTENDED), certainly had "Friendly Hands"! Happy to abide by-the-law!

Seriously, Mayor et.al., Missouri is a "1-800-BAR-NONE" STATE!

Missouri cannot bar BJ players for:

---1. Using common information available to all players at a table.
---2. Using their Brain!

Missouri CAN:

---1. Offer usually SH#TTY Games, and usually does....though many GOOD 6D games are available in the State (outside of the 2 major metropolitan areas).
---2. EARLY SHUFFLE....rarely enacted....even PLOPPIES hate to play 2 rounds then watch a 10-min. shuffle.

Harrah's-KC:

---1. Tried to Flat-Bet an AP.
---2. Got fined for doing same (GRIN)!

Back to the Original Poster:

---1. Sorry about your Plaza Back-off.
---2. NEVER EVER tell them you live there...BE a perpetual TOURIST!
---3. Low-Spread and GRIND!
---4. If you spread out to other NV venues, NEVER EVER give your LV address!
Reno and other NV stores think it is "fishy" for LV residents to be playing in their facilities. Get a "drop-off" address in Bullhead City, AZ, for example.

Hope this "advice" is helpful. May be moving there soon myself.

Phantom007.

 

[Hal Jordan]

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I am speaking of the allure that professional players bring to the mythology of the game. I'm sure we have all run into tons of people who have heard just enough about stories, such as that of the MIT teams, which lead them into feeling as if they have a chance if they just play smart. Obviously, they don't play smart, but the notion that there is someway to beat the game adds to their "desirability factor."

HJ

 

[phantom007]

And May the SUPREME BEING Bless those.........

who give the allure of BJ Profit, i.e., the BJ Pro's who continue the image of the Casino as a "Cash Candy Store". May THEY (the Ploppies) never know that it is HARD F#cking Work to win 1-2 Maximum Bets/hour, and then, EVEN F#cking Harder to keep it! May they NEVER grasp that to "spend it" and/or "lose it" on another game (Poker) is the same as increasing one's ROR!

BUT I PRAY, that said SUPREME BEING even further Bless the Ploppies with full RFBA, and if needed, Free Hats and T-shirts....and if possible, us CC's/AP's too. For us CC'er FOLK only have ONE chance of survival...PLOPPIES!

LORD, as Silberstang once wrote, "Someone has to pay for all those lights and fountains"....Please Lord, oh Please, LET IT BE THE PLOPPIES!

Phantom007.

 

[BlackJackHack]

You have to win at two games to make money

Once you are a technically proficient card counter, and can win at the silly card game, you have ABOUT ONE THIRD of the skills you need to make money. You need to understand how the PCs operate, you have to have an act, you have to develop multiple identities. Most importantly, you have to understand that you are a PERFORMER. You have to sell yourself to the casino to take its money, just as casinos sell themselves to ploppies to take all of their money. At a minimum, you have to convince them you are not a threat. At best, you want to convince them that you are EXACTLY the player they want in their casino (a losing player from that casino's target socioeconomic demographic, its target geographic market, etc.), and that you will LOSE a lot of money. If you are tactful enough, you can convince the casino that you actually ARE losing money.

It's not that hard to win at the card game -- winning at the cat/mouse game is much harder. I used to get backed off somewhat frequently. I got smart, and have not been backed off in about 2 years.