FAKE I.D.'s Anyone?.....

[phantom007]

Not exactly BJ, but several times on this site and other venues, I have posted/requested info. on "How to obtain a fake I.D. for BJ purposes". My posts have been answered with recommendations to attend to various website "stores" of questionable morals....HeHeHe!....I want a "Fake I.D." and I question their morals? Of course, I am not out to defraud anyone, I just seek the right to "keep playing BJ" after I am told to "NOT keep playing BJ".

Anyhow, the following was printed in the Springfield (MO) News-Leader on the date of 5/26/04:

HEADLINE: "3 at SMS (Southwest Mo. State Univ.) accused of making fake I.D.'s".

sub-Heading: "Alleged forgers arrested; customers could be cited for misdemeanors."

ARTICLE (by Andrew Tangel, and paraphrased/edited by phantom007) as follows:

"Springfield police have busted 3 ID-production operations at SMSU, arresting alleged forgers, and citing some of their customers for possessing fake ID's, a misdemeanor charge.

"One notable dorm room operation included a computer, laminator, silkscreen, paint, and other tools the 19 year-old student used to produce fake Illinois driver's licenses, which he typically sold for $40-a-pop."

(ph7: DAMN, I was prepared to pay $500. cash!)

"It was fairly elaborate," police said, adding that authorities hope to deter future fake-ID producers. Police added that possession of fake ID's is one of the more common alcohol-related violations committed at SMS.

(ph7 adds: Most of my violations are also alcohol-related, i.e., reverting to Progressive BJ, Fondling Waitresses' Saline-filled Tits, etc.).

"Fake ID's have become noticeably more sophisticated in the last few years" said K.P., local liquor store clerk.

"There are some good ones", said K.P. "There are some you almost laugh at" he added, "but some fakes are so sophisticated that 'it scares the hell out of you'".

(ph7....YES....$500 Cash for the 'scare the hell' variety).

The recent seizures and arrests--one in late April and two in early May--highlight slicker tactics minors use to buy liquor or get into bars, and the challenges authorities face in stamping out underage drinking.

(ph7: How about middle-aged CC's?).

Prosecutor D.M. said late Tuesday that he expected his office to file charges in coming weeks, and suggested that more prolific ID producers could face a felony charge of forgery.

(ph7: GOOD, once their names and addresses are published in the paper, then I will know where to find them).

Some activists say that the problem can lead to alcoholism early in life.

(pH7: or Advantage Play later in life).

College Administrators acros the country have taken aim at the problem to prevent excessive boozing.

(pH7: I would be another 10-20K AHEAD, if CASINOS had prevented excesive boozing...GRIN!).

M.H., executive director of the Community Partership of the Ozarks,

(pH7: What in the F#CK is THAT?)

called shutting down the fake-ID operation a 'major coup' in the effort against underage drinking, but suggested that the issue is bigger than a couple of college kids with computers.

(pH7: Yes YOU Lesbian Bitch, the PROBLEM is BIGGER! I make $300k/yr. in my regular job, and after the IRS is done with my ASS, I have to spread Red-to-Green! Over the last 3 years, I am ahead $3k playing BJ. THIS IS WRONG...THIS IS SIMPLY WRONG!).

phantom007.

 

[ladykiller]

The best way to get ahold of a fake id is go back to college. I go to college and so do all of my friends at other schools. We all know someone who makes fake Id's. Ask a cousin or a friend with a college kid, tell them you'll give them 50 bucks on the side for the favor, or buy them some beer. THe story you gave surprised me that the kids were only charging 40 bucks a piece. I have both made and now buy fake id's and have never seen them (decent ones) that cheap. It's like anything, shop around. It took me a while, but now I can get CA ones with holograms, that scan for 100 a piece. That's a typical price. By the way, casinos aren't too good at spotting fake id's. I've used some pretty crapy ones in the past with no problems checking into rooms, getting comps, even showing them to pit crew. (PS never show when getting booted or to metro). Vegas sees people from all over the states, so as long as the id is from somewhere other than CA or NV, they won't really know what to look for, or will they even bother.

Ps:
I make $300k/yr. in my regular job, and after the IRS is done with my ASS, I have to spread Red-to-Green! Over the last 3 years, I am ahead $3k playing BJ. THIS IS WRONG...THIS IS SIMPLY WRONG

If you make 300k/yr. what the hell are u doing with all that money? Built that BR!!!

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I don't think you need a very good fake ID. You're going to need one when you get a player's card and no one is going to be really paying attention then. And you might need one if you are cashing in comps, and no one will be really paying attention. The girls at the player's club booth and the buffet are not looking for advantage players and they are just told "check everyone's ID". Other than these two times you shouldn't even need to have the ID in your possession. And of course you will NEVER show this ID to casino security, a cop, the cashier's cage, or anyone who is hassling you.

 

[zengrifter]

Any halfway decent looking NOVELTY ID will still work for player-cards, no need to risk carrying counterfit DLs. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Re: FAKE I.D.'s Anyone?.....HOW to

We all know someone who makes fake Id's
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As I've said, "fakeIDs" ie counterfits are NOT desireable. NOVELTY IDs are easy to make - start with CorelDraw and scan in a DL, then change the colors and wording to render non-counterfit NOVELTY. For example, change "Motor Vehicle Services" to "Motor Services Vehicle", change wording on back to read "has the right to count cards at BJ at any state-legal casino" etc. zg

 

[Tom]

For what,comps?

It's not that difficult for anyone to acquire a fake I.D if they have a desire or need to do so.

Just because you think you'll get backed off at some sweaty casino does not mean you now have to get a fake I.D. I would not use a fake one unless absolutely necessary. Getting free food,comps,coupons using aliases seem to be more of a benefit for many. Of course they would rather quest for other reasons,but I think I really know why these fake I.D's seem to have a popular interest other than one would think....All those COUPONS!

If(or when) you start getting barred all over the place it may be time to consider it,but in the meantime I would not let it bother you. In today's world of risk, getting caught with a fake ID may be worst than not having an ID at all!

 

[The Mayor]

Re: For what,comps?

Once you start putting down significant $$$ on a bet, you will get noticed -- an ID is essential to avoid heat.

 

[ladykiller]

Re: For what,comps?

I agree with the Mayor. You guys are crazy riduculous to think that you don't need a fake id. WHen you start betting black, they will hound you until you get a players card. If you don't, they will immediately call upstairs to "check this guy out." Plus, you need the fake id to cash out your chips if you have over 1k or whatever the requirement is at that specific casino. Case in point: I got read the trespass act at a place, played there a year later, had 5k in chips. It was stupid of me to try to cash out all 5k at once, but they asked for id, gave them my REAL one, and had a whole hell of a lot of trouble; they have to know who you are, where you got those chips, and why the f*ck don't you have a player's card. Besides, at big places with lots of people, once you start winning a lot of money, you need a new id, because red flags come up in their reports after you've played a certain amount of time and are out of the standard deviation. Casinos have a theoretical win which is based on how they rate your playing abilities and average bet. IF you're over that by a considerable amount after a while, reports come up. Changing id's eliminates that. But if you're only betting green at a big casino, you don't really have to worry as much. A smaller casino you do, but at a smaller casino, there's less floor and a higher chance of them recognizing you. So figure out what you need more.

 

[Tom]

Re: For what,comps?

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. Is it because you feel there is a need to use a fake ID for a players card and I must always get one if betting significant bucks?

 

[Tom]

Re: For what,comps?

There are many good excuses and loops you can use if the pit ask you about a players card,i'll leave it to your imagination. I've never had to show an ID for winning only a $1000 bucks,dont know what casinos you're talking about.

Why in the heck would you go back to a casino that 86'ed you and cash out 5K all at one time if you knew they would ID you,did you get arrested too?

 

[ladykiller]

Re: For what,comps?

First off, I got 86'd using a different name with a fake id. I went back with my real id. Of course I did not get arrested. And yes, if you're betting significant amounts of money, it is an automatic red flag if you refuse to get a player's card. That makes them think that you may be not allowed to play there and don't want to be tracked. If you've ever played at a casino with black, you know what I'm talking about. Sometimes you can get away with it on a busy night at a Caesar's or Mandalay Bay, Bellagio, or Venetian. But on the whole, (and I'm very good at cover and acting to decieve PC's), it will just cause problems if you don't get a card. Besides, if you rotate id's, you will not give attention to yourself, and will get a lot of $$ in comps. I never pay for my room when I go to LV and always get lots of free food. Using fake Id's simply help to alleviate one extra potential problem in being caught.

 

[Tom]

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Excuse my ignorance,but if you got 86'ed using a fake ID then why were you in big trouble using your real ID,did you get caught using 2 different ID's or something?

I think you're freaking out over player cards,they may actually be your worst enemy,NOT your best friend. Under certain conditions it may be neccesary to get a card, but certainly not all conditions. Using 10 different false identification cards is also not a good idea unless absolutely necessary. Let's face it most of us(including yourself) are not Hyland's and Uston's.

If you think simply not getting or using a players card will get you heat and so forth, then try getting caught using fake ID's and see what that does for you....talk about a RED FLAG.

I know an inexperenced card counter who recently started playing BJ about a year ago, he thought "Well,since I'm now a pro I need to get some fake ID's to keep from getting barred."...boy did he, a whole sh*tload. He then thought he'd do it the PROS way(in his own mind) and used his phoney ID's at the same casinos to avoid heat(and get some,pssss..coupons). He had matchplays,tournament coupons,free buffets,comps,etc. coming out his a$$. He eventually got caught using coupons under different aliases and was in deep sh*t. Needless to say he was kicked out of many casinos and is probably in the Griffin book. Furthermore, his 86's was not from card counting. He was a terrible card counter,the funny thing about it is, he tells(or brags?) to people that he's been 86ed from casinos because he's a professional even though he reluctantly admitted getting kicked out for using alias coupons. He's quite a funny character.

I was hoping it would not come to this and thought you might be able to read bet-ween the lines in my previous post. Anyway, whatever suits your needs and good luck in your future en-"counters"

 

[ed vantage]

dual ID's

Do the pit critters ever notice you give them a differant ID? ("Tom Smith? I thought you were Andy Jones." etc.)
ed

 

[Boston_Jaxel]

Cashing out question

I'm going to vegas for the first time next month. (Mayors Podium this month is great) I have only played in Conn a dozen times, and Missouri one very small session. I am thinking about getting a Novelty ID to use while I am there to obtain players cards\comps. I am concerned that if I use a card under an alias with the novelty ID, I will run into problems cashing out. I wouldn't want to use it at the cashier, like it was previously stated in this thread not to do so. If was to use my real ID to cash out, would that cause suspicion too? I am only a red chip player, so I don't think that they are not sweating my play. Suggestions?

 

[Sonny]

Not a problem for you

Since you are a red chipper you should not need ID to cash out at the cage. I have been playing reds in Vegas for several years and I have never been asked for ID at the cage. The highest I have ever cashed in for is $500 at one time.

If you did have a HUGE winning session and you want to play it safe you can just cash in on another shift. The new crew won't know about your fake alias so you can use your real ID if they ask.

-Sonny-

 

[Royam]

Novelty ID

I did not know that changing the card sufficiently makes it not considered not to be a fake ID. Does it mean that, if the changes are sufficient, you can legally present such ID? and if so, how much change is required? Just asking, because I like the idea of taking the money of the casinos legally... and the whole picture suffers from having to carry a falsified ID.

Royam