False Hope?

[ThreeLeggedHorse]

Hi guys, I posted a while back that I was learning to use the Mentor count to help me beat the UK game but after much reading and debate I had a change of heart and have reverted to the Hi-Lo + Ill18. I obtained the Casino Verite software and entered the rules I will be playing, which count I would like to use and what indexes I would like to use and started learning it for a few hours a day. I feel I have learned this very quickly (going from a Level 2 to a Level 1 count maybe helped me pick it up quicker). My only concern is that the Ill18 and counting strategy I have learned from Casino Verite may be flawed. Is the strategy generated by Casino Verite strong enough to hold up in real world conditions and give me the advantage? I have only asked as it all seems a little bit too easy to me.

Thanks in advance guys.

 

[moo321]

Hi guys, I posted a while back that I was learning to use the Mentor count to help me beat the UK game but after much reading and debate I had a change of heart and have reverted to the Hi-Lo + Ill18. I obtained the Casino Verite software and entered the rules I will be playing, which count I would like to use and what indexes I would like to use and started learning it for a few hours a day. I feel I have learned this very quickly (going from a Level 2 to a Level 1 count maybe helped me pick it up quicker). My only concern is that the Ill18 and counting strategy I have learned from Casino Verite may be flawed. Is the strategy generated by Casino Verite strong enough to hold up in real world conditions and give me the advantage? I have only asked as it all seems a little bit too easy to me.

Thanks in advance guys.

Yeah, CV is fine. Hi-lo with Il18 is plenty to beat shoe games. If you play handheld, you may want to add some more index plays. Honestly, counting systems don't mean anything anymore. If you play single and double deck exclusively, the Hi-OptII may be worth the effort, but it may not.

Just keep practicing, and when you get to real play, start with low reds until you get the hang of it.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Hi guys, I posted a while back that I was learning to use the Mentor count to help me beat the UK game but after much reading and debate I had a change of heart and have reverted to the Hi-Lo + Ill18. I obtained the Casino Verite software and entered the rules I will be playing, which count I would like to use and what indexes I would like to use and started learning it for a few hours a day. I feel I have learned this very quickly (going from a Level 2 to a Level 1 count maybe helped me pick it up quicker). My only concern is that the Ill18 and counting strategy I have learned from Casino Verite may be flawed. Is the strategy generated by Casino Verite strong enough to hold up in real world conditions and give me the advantage? I have only asked as it all seems a little bit too easy to me.

Thanks in advance guys.

The Illustrious 18 playing indices for High-Low are known almost universally and posted in all kinds of places. Why would you have any doubt as to what the correct plays are?

Maybe just post the indices you are using here and we can tell you if they are correct.

 

[callipygian]

The Illustrious 18 playing indices for High-Low are known almost universally and posted in all kinds of places. Why would you have any doubt as to what the correct plays are?

Because the value of the indices change as a function of your bet ramp. The I18 for someone who bets 1,1,1,1,8 is not the same as the I18 for someone who bets 1,1,2,4,8. For example, for someone who Wongs out at -1, they never need to deal with switching hard 12 vs. dealer 6, which zero value because the bet is 0 at the index value. Likewise, for people with very steep ramps at very high counts, the profit from high EV / low frequency plays such as splitting TT vs. dealer 6 become very profitable compared to low EV / high frequency plays such as hard 16 vs. dealer 10.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Because the value of the indices change as a function of your bet ramp. The I18 for someone who bets 1,1,1,1,8 is not the same as the I18 for someone who bets 1,1,2,4,8. For example, for someone who Wongs out at -1, they never need to deal with switching hard 12 vs. dealer 6, which zero value because the bet is 0 at the index value. Likewise, for people with very steep ramps at very high counts, the profit from high EV / low frequency plays such as splitting TT vs. dealer 6 become very profitable compared to low EV / high frequency plays such as hard 16 vs. dealer 10.

No the I18 are the I18. Their relative values are going to change (somewhat) as a function of the bet ramp and if you're never playing at certain negative counts some of them will disappear. There are also slight changes between H17 and S17 and between single deck and multideck games. Still the most important one by far is hit/stand 16 vs. 10 which is at 0 in any balanced count and you'll probably never need anything more than Schlesinger's original I18 if you are using High-Low in any game.

 

[callipygian]

No the I18 are the I18.

Their relative values are going to change (somewhat) as a function of the bet ramp and if you're never playing at certain negative counts some of them will disappear.

I'm not entirely sure how you reconcile these two statements, but I think we both agree on the substance - depending on how you ramp your bets, certain indices will have more or less value to you, and you might play with a subset of what people call the "Illustrious 18".

you'll probably never need anything more than Schlesinger's original I18 if you are using High-Low in any game.

In most cases, you will need fewer than the 18 listed. If you're a BP on a team and you frequently play in the +5 to +10 range, you'll need to add a few.

Still the most important one by far is hit/stand 16 vs. 10 which is at 0 in any balanced count

Besides insurance, of course.