Fear of Player Cards

I really feel like I'm missing out on a lot of valuable comps because I'm afraid of using player cards and being tracked more than whatever they are doing already. Plus, when signing up for one, they get to have all your personal info from your drivers license. I don't like that too well.

Often someone from the pit usually approaches me after I've won 2 or 3 giant hands in a row and asks something like: "Sir, would you like us to set you up with a player card?" As a reply, I usually make some excuse relating to "bad luck if I ever use one of those things".

Why do they usually approach me with that question right after I smoke 'em out of some significant $ ?

Comments welcomed.

Stealth
 

SammyBoy

Well-Known Member
Good question, my guess is that they want to know who you are. You are not supposed to win. With a players card you are in their computer and they can track your sessions easier than having to have each pit member rembering who you are. If they are able to track you as a consisten winner, the party is over for you. Do you think they are asking slot jackpot winners if they would like a players card? I played craps early on in my gambling career and don't ever remember them asking if I would like a players card. I'm a red chipper to light green and I will use a players card if I'm going to a casino that I plan to play several times a year. If I seldom play a certain casino I will not use the card. I may have to change this once I become a black chipper and not use the card at all.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
Good question. I agree that if you are not planning on playing often in a casino, why bother giving them more info than they need.
I use my card in the casino I stay in, have played there for years, and because it is not one of the super places on the strip my being a better with about a $100 average gets me some comps that make it worth it. A mini-suite, food including a reasonible amount in their best restaurants, and free admission to tournaments, can add up to a decent comp.
I should add though that my act is very good and the only time that they get an accurate count of a winning session is probably when it is a real short one.
Victoria
 

Eminem

New Member
Player cards is a way for the casino to keep track of their big betting suckers. Its part of the casino's marketing strategy. They keep records address and ph# so that they can draw big betting suckers back to lose at their casino. However it can turn into a nasty little arseno for the casino if they do pick up consistent winning sessions (especially on bj tables).
Being a black chipper, it will actually get u more heat to turn down a player card offer. Nobody would refuse a free meal or a free ticket to a show or something.
Unless u plan on bouncing around casinos all over the world playing at each casino once or twice a year, u need to get into the latter part of card counting "The Act" in order to get longetivity.
 

Hinoon

Well-Known Member
I'm going to offer a different perspective here.

Players cards do indeed provide casinos with your personal information. Using your credit card at a casino does too, and as we all know, many casinos share their database information...so chances are, unless you're cash-only...you're anonymity is a thin illusion at best. If a casino wants to know who you are, then they'll probably be able to find out.

More to the point...aside from massive bet spreads and bold ten-splits, WHY would a casino want to know who you are? Is winning a good enough reason to get tracked? I'm going to suggest that winning alone isn't usually enough (clearly some cases are going to draw heat for their own unique reasons..large amounts, etc.). Why not? Because even if the casino has an undeniable 5% edge over the player....45% of the hands played will still be player-wins. Meaning that at any given time...almost half the people at the tables can be winning and the casino is still bringing in cash. It happens. People win. Casinos know that their statistics guarantee that they will win slightly more often...but not all the time. Casinos WANT to have winners. A winner at every table draws six hopefuls to the remaining seats.

So, if winning alone isn't good enough to merit scrutiny...what then?

How about acting shady? The pit boss sees a player laying down chips for a few hours, they look like they're having a "good streak"...the casino has a vested interest in keeping that player at the tables...because eventually...that player will succumb to the casino edge. So Mr. Critter saunters over to the table to offer a Player's Card...to amass comps...free stuff. The player dodges the question...apparently, this player is the only person in Las Vegas who hates free stuff.

If I were that pit critter...I'd keep an eye on the player. By rejecting the Club Card...the player is waving a huge red flag that has bright yellow letters on it reading, "I'M DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLAYERS!!"

Now...a slot machine can keep tabs on every penny in and out of the machine...every play you make...every push of the button....but a table isn't a slot machine. When they swipe your card (Someone correct me if I'm wrong) and log your play, they don't care what you win or lose...they are entering your bet-per-hand. Comps are based on a percentage of what you put down on the table...not what you take off of the table. The pit boss simply doesn't have the time to monitor and enter your win/loss ratio...And even if they come by to check out your ever-growing stack of chips....nothing is stopping you from coloring up a nice stack of red into a pocketable black chip.

So...I always get a player's card. It's good cover...I'm just one of the many...looking for a free buffet. I actually enjoy getting comped. And nothing is stopping me from NOT giving my card to the dealer when I wong in to a hot shoe, preserving my "anonymity" and giving me the perfect "out" when the pit boss comes by to scope me out. ("Sir, can I interest you a Club Card?"..."OH! I already HAVE one...I forgot to put it down...thanks for the reminder...hey...is this a good time to hit the buffet? Maybe you can help me out with a meal comp...this is my sister's first time to Vegas, and I just lost a grand on Keno...").

Etc. Etc.

Basically...I think there are valid reasons to NOT use a Club Card at many of the places you go ...but there's no reason to avoid signing up for a few. Plus, nothin' beats a lobster dinner for the price of the tip.
 

learning to count

Well-Known Member
1: Only get a players card if you are playing for comps and or low stakes (and you are going stay at low stakes during your card ounting career).
2: A players card should be attained only if you are willing to give up your identity. If you can get one in another name better yet. Watch out for the legalities of using false ID.
3: Learn what casinos give the best comps for your play then get a player card at those casinos.
4: If your going to play at a higher rate green to black I would not get a card. Or only show it when you lose.

REMEMBER IF YOU WIN THEN THE CASINO EVALUATES YOU FIRST FOR CHEATING AND OR COUNTING. IF THEY ARE CONVINCED YOUR A LUCKY GAMBLER THEN THEY WILL INTICE YOU TO STAY AND OR COME BACK IN THE FUTURE. WINNERS ARE NOT WHAT THE CASINO WANTS!
 

Stealth

Member
Victoria:

Based on your name, I'm assuming that you're of the female gender. I wish I was a lady too but only while playing black jack. (fellas, notice I didn't abbreviate "black jack" this time). :) Being a man at the tables I'm assuming is probably more difficult and the type of single man I am probably got me 86'ed just because I've flirted with the ladies some in my past. Gotta worry about the "envey factor" too as man. The male pit boys just can't seem to keep the ladies interested in themselves while I'm in the loop. I gotta fight everything ya know, ....... sucks big-time.

Tell us more. I think we all like to hear your perspective of things.

-Stealth-
 

eyesfor21

Well-Known Member
MANY PLAYERS reject them

Many players reject the players cards,because people are sick of companies
selling the information and we like privacy.

Its not that unusual to turn down the cards.

It may be wise to get them at some casinos where they do not
fret too much and leave some alone. Many casinos still do not
ask for licenses,remember never to get players cards from the pit,
always go to the players club first and then
decide if you want one. Circus circus used to be one
of the best places to play now one of the worst had over
three crew members
looking over my license and yet it really was my real one too.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
Stealth

I will not say much on a public board but I think you have the message. It is easier for a woman, especially a younger woman because she does not fit the CC profile.
 

Victoria

Well-Known Member
Re: MANY PLAYERS reject them

When I can stay three nights in a nice room for free, get my meals comped and have a free entry into one of those constant button pushing, booring slot tournaments for free, I give that casino my information and also change my approach concerning spread. I have always thought that if they are watching you, perhaps running a CC program on your play, that your spread is one of the most important factors. Giving up my 8-1 for a more moderate 4-1 to me is a fair exchange for the comps and has so far kept the heat off. Since that is the only place I have a players card that I intend to keep when I go elsewhere I am more aggressive but have accepted them at other places. Any thoughts?
 
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