first base strategy

[jim davis]

Has anyone heard of any practical first base strategy ? I knew of one where if there was more than 50% ten value cards on the current hand and the last card dealt was also a 10, then bet maximum on the next hand on the assumption that you will be on first base and the first card dealt for the new hand will be a 10 and I think you have an 8% advantage if your first card is a 10.

The theory is that the 10's will clump due to a non random shuffle.

But I think the auto shuffling machines ensure a random shuffle so I dont think this will work anymore.

Any comments will be appreciated.

 

[bjcount]

Has anyone heard of any practical first base strategy ? I knew of one where if there was more than 50% ten value cards on the current hand and the last card dealt was also a 10, then bet maximum on the next hand on the assumption that you will be on first base and the first card dealt for the new hand will be a 10 and I think you have an 8% advantage if your first card is a 10.

The theory is that the 10's will clump due to a non random shuffle.

But I think the auto shuffling machines ensure a random shuffle so I dont think this will work anymore.

Any comments will be appreciated.

Hmm is that some type of new 10's glue to keep them clumped due to a random or non random shuffle? I need to find some of that.

BJC

 

[EasyRhino]

It's bull. There's no magic static electricity on ten cards that can make them stick together. You need to get real information about the composition of the remaining cards (like card counting)

 

[SleightOfHand]

It's bull. There's no magic static electricity on ten cards that can make them stick together. You need to get real information about the composition of the remaining cards (like card counting)

The extra ink makes them stick! Its true!

 

[jim davis]

The theory was that if someone was shuffling 6 decks, the shuffle would not be random since the way the dealer picks up the bust cards and places them in the discard tray, the 10's would clump together since most of the bust cards are 10's....and shuffling 6 decks by hand would make the 10's to clump since a human cant perform a perfect shuffle.

Here is a site about first base strategy ( no, its not my site, I live in Connecticut and this guy is in New York or Canada )...he doesn't have an email address so I'm not sure if its a scam.

But if there's a shuffle machine, Im not sure any first base strategy will work

http://firstbaseblackjack.com/

 

[shadroch]

That web site is 98% bullshit. He is right that someone sitting at first base can gain an advantage at certain times, and those times are identifialble. Only not the way he is suggesting. Only way that system will make you any money is by selling the system itself.

 

[Sonny]

The theory was that if someone was shuffling 6 decks, the shuffle would not be random since the way the dealer picks up the bust cards and places them in the discard tray, the 10's would clump together since most of the bust cards are 10's...

That doesn’t make sense. Bust cards aren’t always going to be tens. I’ve busted plenty of hands with a 7-9 so that would dilute the alleged clumping. And even if all the bust cards were tens, you still have to account for the cards that make up the hand which are most likely not tens. The only way the tens would get clumped together would be if everyone hit their T,T and busted with another T. I’ve never seen anybody hit a hard 20 so I would have to say this strategy is a total scam.

...and shuffling 6 decks by hand would make the 10's to clump since a human cant perform a perfect shuffle.

That's not true. I've seen people who can perform a perfect shuffle (sometimes called a Faro shuffle) and I can come pretty close myself. And even if the shuffle isn't perfect it can still break up the alleged clumps since most casinos use multiple riffles and at least one strip. Forget about all this clumping nonsense. It's not effective.

-Sonny-

 

[QFIT]

Whenever you see site that says "The books are wrong," you know you have found a scam.

 

[FLASH1296]

"Stuff & Nonsense"

"Bunkum"

"Poppycock"

Complete and utter b*llsh*t"



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[jim davis]

I'm not promoting this first base theory, I'm just trying to find out if anyone has used it.

As far as to what has been posted :

1. The average dealer can not perform a perfect shuffle every time, maybe close to it, but not perfect, especially after they've been dealing for 6 hours in an 8 hour shift.

2.Obviously not all bust cards are 10's...thats why on the previous hand, you look for at least 50% 10 value cards plus the last card being dealt is also a 10 value....then bet max on next hand looking for a 10 on the first card dealt to first base on the next hand which would give you about a 13 % edge..

3. Seems like everyone who posted expects this to win every hand.....not gonna happen.......just looking for that small edge.

4. Also, observe a table and make an imaginary bet to see if the method shoes a profit over 4 or 5 hands. If so, sit down, otherwise move on....but this may be a problem since you have to sit on first base and someone may be sitting there. If someone is sitting there, dont waste time observing since you cant sit at first base anyway. Only observe tables where first base is open.

5. I used this method in Vegas when I lived there and had moderate success before I had to move to New England. Just wondering if anyone else had used it.

6. The guy selling the method on that web site is probably selling some other method, not the method I described above......and it looks like the Bernie Madoff method of blackjack. I'd stay away.

 

[ricopuno]

In my own experience it seems that whenever the TC is +2 and up the table is full. It seems that the first base always receive those high cards although I don't have math to prove it these were my observations.

 

[ihate17]

Voodoo in the voodoo section

In my own experience it seems that whenever the TC is +2 and up the table is full. It seems that the first base always receive those high cards although I don't have math to prove it these were my observations.

In my years of playing I can make the following observations about the same subject on a TC of +2 or more.
When I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When I am doing bad I get one high and one 5 or so.
When the table is crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When the table is crowded and I am doing badly, I again get one high card and that 5 might be replaced by a 6 or 4.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards for additional rounds.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing badly, I get that 15 or so again and again and again etc etc etc.

Add this all up and you have a waste of a post.

ihate17

 

[bjcount]

In my years of playing I can make the following observations about the same subject on a TC of +2 or more.
When I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When I am doing bad I get one high and one 5 or so.
When the table is crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When the table is crowded and I am doing badly, I again get one high card and that 5 might be replaced by a 6 or 4.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards for additional rounds.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing badly, I get that 15 or so again and again and again etc etc etc.

Add this all up and you have a waste of a post.

ihate17

LOL.... HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

GREAT POST!
:laugh::laugh::laugh::cry::cry:

BJC

 

[ricopuno]

Guys thanks very much I love your sense of humor.

I think Arnold Snyder mentioned something regarding the usefulness of first

base. He also mentioned that in order to become successful in gambling you

don't just follow by the book be creative and sometimes deviate from the book.

Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[bjcount]

In my own experience it seems that whenever the TC is +2 and up the table is full. It seems that the first base always receive those high cards although I don't have math to prove it these were my observations.

I think Arnold Snyder mentioned something regarding the usefulness of first
base. He also mentioned that in order to become successful in gambling you
don't just follow by the book be creative and sometimes deviate from the book.

I don't believe believe he was refering to a pattern in the cards as they are dealt from a shuffled, randomized, and stacked face down shoe/deck. He was most definitely refering to other AP type methods which would alter your "playing by the book". Sonny has a good link for those ways to get you started.

BJC

 

[ricopuno]

In my years of playing I can make the following observations about the same subject on a TC of +2 or more.
When I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When I am doing bad I get one high and one 5 or so.
When the table is crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards.
When the table is crowded and I am doing badly, I again get one high card and that 5 might be replaced by a 6 or 4.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing well I get all those high cards for additional rounds.
When the table is not crowded and I am doing badly, I get that 15 or so again and again and again etc etc etc.

Add this all up and you have a waste of a post.

ihate17

Please understand the logic that I'm trying to convey.

If TC=+2 player is all alone on the table with the dealer. Who will benefit those high cards obviously the dealer and the player therefore using logic the probability that a player and dealer will receive high cards is high. Since the player has the advantage then very good for the player

But if table is full TC=+2 7 people including dealer, using logic ,who else can benefit from those high cards, some of the players perhaps except the counter if the variance is against him.

Now compare the two statement and use logic which is riskier statement1 or
statement2?

I believe Blackjack is not all math but also using common sense and logic just like in real life.

Again who are you to decide that my postings are waste unless Ken and Sonny say so then I will never post.

Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Sonny]

If TC=+2 player is all alone on the table with the dealer. Who will benefit those high cards obviously the dealer and the player therefore using logic the probability that a player and dealer will receive high cards is high. Since the player has the advantage then very good for the player

Everything is good so far.

But if table is full TC=+2 7 people including dealer, using logic ,who else can benefit from those high cards, some of the players perhaps except the counter if the variance is against him.

But isn't that a good thing for the player? Even if he doesn't get the good cards, the dealer might not either. That would benefit the player. Even if he gets bad cards he might still have a chance to win.

Since we have no idea what order the cards are in, there is no way that any seat will be better than any other seat based on the count alone.

-Sonny-

 

[ihate17]

Not your post, it was mine that was a waste

Please understand the logic that I'm trying to convey.

If TC=+2 player is all alone on the table with the dealer. Who will benefit those high cards obviously the dealer and the player therefore using logic the probability that a player and dealer will receive high cards is high. Since the player has the advantage then very good for the player

But if table is full TC=+2 7 people including dealer, using logic ,who else can benefit from those high cards, some of the players perhaps except the counter if the variance is against him.

Now compare the two statement and use logic which is riskier statement1 or
statement2?

I believe Blackjack is not all math but also using common sense and logic just like in real life.

Again who are you to decide that my postings are waste unless Ken and Sonny say so then I will never post.

Peace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was my post that was the waste of a post and not yours, but there was a message in mine and the answer is actually in your post but I fear you still do not quite get it.
It is, and you said it, variance!
When it is going your way you will do well, when it is not you will do badly.
In the situation you describe it seems to be going badly but in my post I explained in a sarcastic tone that crowded, empty or whatever, it could go good or bad.
The thing is that at a count of +2 you have an ever so slight edge of perhaps .5%. This means that over tens or hundreds of thousands of hands played at that total count you should make .5% on your bets. You will NOT win more hands than the dealer but it will be the better chance of getting the bonus for a blackjack and the fact that you will be slightly more successful on your doubles that will result in your edge.

I am just saying that I believe you are not basing your feelings on enough hands in that situation to overcome the natural variance of the game and perhaps a little selective memory jumps in there also.

ihate17

 

[ricopuno]

Guys forgive me for being emotional. Work problem has affected me.

I have been asking for my severance package that I can use to bankroll a $25.00 table but they have refused me now I'm getting it but the problem is I feel like they are trying to find a way to get rid of me.

 

[ihate17]

No apology is necessary

Guys forgive me for being emotional. Work problem has affected me.

I have been asking for my severance package that I can use to bankroll a $25.00 table but they have refused me now I'm getting it but the problem is I feel like they are trying to find a way to get rid of me.

Ricopuno
Other things, especially more important things than blackjack, will effect the blackjack play of most people. Bad fortune or frustration at work or home can effect your blackjack play which in turn can compound the original problem.
The counting thing is very easy, the emotional confusion that can come from the outside or just bad variance can be very difficult. Before you risk your severance on the blackjack tables you should try and make sure that you are emotionally ready for the rollercoaster.

ihate17