First close call with a back off.

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

happened a little over a week ago.

Dealer accuses me of counting. I reply that I can't even add up my own cards. Which is true but mostly because while counting cards my mind can't always quickly comprehend four and five card hands. i once hit a twenty by mistake!

Anyway the smile leaves the dealer's face and he starts dealing the next shoe at three times his regular rate.

I leave. Can see why this game takes a steel veneer of personality. hard to continue with the "wolf breathing down my neck".

By the way, I wasn't particularly up in units. Probably off a few over all. It was just after a particularly big run of high wagers at high count that caused the dealer to make the accusations. Was betting a 1 to 8 spread or so on two spots six deck heads up.

So basically the casino was still making money or at least breaking even when the accusation was made. Strange.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Wierd that a dealer backed you off haha.

Its not there job to protect the money.

 

[blackchipjim]

smart @ss dealers

I have run into this crap from dealers before for reasons not known. I act confused and rebutt their claims with tact. My best one rebuttal is " if I was counting shouldn't I be winning". Some dealers need atittude adjustments but I find them to be presistent I eventually leave but not right away. There are some dealers I won't even sit at their tables because of the atittude that comes with them. There are some dealers who like tips and heads up play is fun for them too. If someone can rattle your cage that's a weakness and we have to subdue our emotions or the casino wins. blackchipjim

 

[toastblows]

my favorite was when a drunk kid told the dealer he was counting...and then the pit boss too. They didnt seem to care. he went on a large roller coaster of probably $1k up to $500 down to up $1400-1500 maybe. And yes, he was counting, because i was counting right with him but wasnt betting near as much :laugh: ..........i would imagine a dealers job sux, maybe your dealer gets off by making players sweat. :cool2:

 

[moo321]

happened a little over a week ago.

Dealer accuses me of counting. I reply that I can't even add up my own cards. Which is true but mostly because while counting cards my mind can't always quickly comprehend four and five card hands. i once hit a twenty by mistake!

Anyway the smile leaves the dealer's face and he starts dealing the next shoe at three times his regular rate.

I leave. Can see why this game takes a steel veneer of personality. hard to continue with the "wolf breathing down my neck".

By the way, I wasn't particularly up in units. Probably off a few over all. It was just after a particularly big run of high wagers at high count that caused the dealer to make the accusations. Was betting a 1 to 8 spread or so on two spots six deck heads up.

So basically the casino was still making money or at least breaking even when the accusation was made. Strange.

Best response is just to leave without much comment, which is what you did.

 

[rollem411]

i find dealers like that are the ones who give the shite pen. so its easier to avoid them.

 

[EasyRhino]

A dealer can't back you off. It's not a dealer's job to look for APs.

The worst he could have done was narc on your to a supervisor. (which, if it resulted in a backoff, would be bad).

The second worst thing would have been to radically cut penetration.

The third worst thing would have been to act douchey. Depending on where you were playing, this might be the normal state of affairs.

Also, how serious was the dealer? I've been joke accused of cheating before. And the whole table would just laugh and laugh and laugh.

 

[moo321]

A dealer can't back you off. It's not a dealer's job to look for APs.

The worst he could have done was narc on your to a supervisor. (which, if it resulted in a backoff, would be bad).

The second worst thing would have been to radically cut penetration.

The third worst thing would have been to act douchey. Depending on where you were playing, this might be the normal state of affairs.

Also, how serious was the dealer? I've been joke accused of cheating before. And the whole table would just laugh and laugh and laugh.

Sounds like the dealer was pretty serious. Why risk getting ratted out, if you can just take off and come back another time?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

happened a little over a week ago.

Dealer accuses me of counting. I reply that I can't even add up my own cards. Which is true but mostly because while counting cards my mind can't always quickly comprehend four and five card hands. i once hit a twenty by mistake!

Anyway the smile leaves the dealer's face and he starts dealing the next shoe at three times his regular rate.

I leave. Can see why this game takes a steel veneer of personality. hard to continue with the "wolf breathing down my neck".

By the way, I wasn't particularly up in units. Probably off a few over all. It was just after a particularly big run of high wagers at high count that caused the dealer to make the accusations. Was betting a 1 to 8 spread or so on two spots six deck heads up.

So basically the casino was still making money or at least breaking even when the accusation was made. Strange.

Sounds like a good deal to me. Please, tell me where the dealers start dealing three times as fast when they think you're a counter. I'll start moving my lips.

 

[shadroch]

This is why I always ask for a lime with my Corona.While holding the cards with one hand,its real easy to accidently spill the drink while pushing the lime into the bottle.Now you have a real reason to leave the table. You can't play a soaked spot.
Look at the dealer and let your eyes tell him "Message recieved. Message Sent".

 

[ihate17]

Heads up with a workable toke hustle on a DD game

Early AM in a casino where the pits seem asleep. I am winning a bit (not very much at all), the dealer is cutting about 1/2 deck and he begins talking about a new count system that he has devised. I play along, listen intently and ask him some very naive and begginner type questions, such as; do you really think it can make you a winner? Will you win every time you play?

I get a good count and win a couple of big bets and he is still talking but now about a count system he has for beating a side bet. I put out a toke, I win, lose the next hand and we get a shuffle. The cut card is still inserted in the same area and I get a great little run, toke him more than usual, win big and he tells me, "you might want to take a break now." So I do.

Since this was an isolated casino and I had no plan to return very soon, about an hour or so later I return to his table. Good pen but now another player at the table and no talk about counting, but no heat either

I think he made me, but being a casino where dealers go for their own tokes, he wanted to see if I would toke before he cut pen or worse informed the pit. He never said I count and neither did I, but he constantly seemed to be talking around the subject.

You just never know the motivation of dealers. Find one whose goal is moving up the casino food chain and tread very very carefully. This guy also talked about retirement.

ihate17

 

[zengrifter]

happened a little over a week ago.
Dealer accuses me of counting. I reply that I can't even add up my own cards.

Wrong answer. An ordinary player would not be defensive if accused of counting. zg

 

[zengrifter]

my favorite was when a drunk kid told the dealer he was counting...and then the pit boss too. They didnt seem to care. he went on a large roller coaster of probably $1k up to $500 down to up $1400-1500 maybe. And yes, he was counting, because i was counting right with him but wasnt betting near as much :laugh: ..........i would imagine a dealers job sux, maybe your dealer gets off by making players sweat. :cool2:

I've used exactly that act many times. Tell'em I'm counting, one of the best, then make some really silly basic mistakes, and watch them smirking out of the corner of my eye. zg

 

[ChefJJ]

Wrong answer. An ordinary player would not be defensive if accused of counting. zg

I've laughed it off before. :laugh:

Heck, the other day I spilled my 7 & 7 (like Shadroch was saying) by ACCIDENT 5 minutes after I got to the table...that helped with the act as well. That was a fun one!

 

[shadroch]

If a dealer accuses you of counting,apologize and when you get your next hand,ask him what you have. Take a hit and again ask what you have.Then state that it would be much easier if you were allowed to count your own cards.Wait a few hands and ask him if you are allowed to count your chips at the table.

 

[ihate17]

What image do you portray in the casino

Wrong answer. An ordinary player would not be defensive if accused of counting. zg

Though I have several acts, the one I am most comfortable is "the talkative funny guy". I have carried on conversations through a whole shoe, telling stories to the pit and dealer, while at the same time spreading to the count and playing indices, so I feel I multitask well.

Now if this is the guy I am portraying and the dealer flat out says something directly that I am counting, my character will suddenly become interested in counting, if it can really work, how it works, ask the dealer to perhaps give me some pointers. Tell him I saw something about MIT teams on the history channel. But then say something to the effect that if I had tried it a sharpe dealer like him would notice quickly and it would not work. Play a while and then take a break.

There may be better ways to handle this and honestly it has not happened often but my game is kind of a show and I stay in character.

ihate17

 

[AnIrishmannot2brite]

Though I have several acts, the one I am most comfortable is "the talkative funny guy". I have carried on conversations through a whole shoe, telling stories to the pit and dealer, while at the same time spreading to the count and playing indices, so I feel I multitask well.

Now if this is the guy I am portraying and the dealer flat out says something directly that I am counting, my character will suddenly become interested in counting, if it can really work, how it works, ask the dealer to perhaps give me some pointers. Tell him I saw something about MIT teams on the history channel. But then say something to the effect that if I had tried it a sharpe dealer like him would notice quickly and it would not work. Play a while and then take a break.

There may be better ways to handle this and honestly it has not happened often but my game is kind of a show and I stay in character.

ihate17

The problem I had was wonging out AFTER the accusation. A form of fear began to set in. I stayed through one more shoe and then left. This cat started dealing astronomically fast at that point. Mean or gruff demeanor apparent.

Maybe just to make myself more comfortable will seek out dealers a little on the medium to slow side from now on. Smaller winnings per hour in a good shoe but less chance of the dealer himself actually spotting the unit spreads.

 

[ihate17]

Some dealers understand some but few understand all

The problem I had was wonging out AFTER the accusation. A form of fear began to set in. I stayed through one more shoe and then left. This cat started dealing astronomically fast at that point. Mean or gruff demeanor apparent.

Maybe just to make myself more comfortable will seek out dealers a little on the medium to slow side from now on. Smaller winnings per hour in a good shoe but less chance of the dealer himself actually spotting the unit spreads.

Now if the dealer understood more about cardcounters and thought you were actually a threat to the game, would he deal 3 times as fast?
Either he thought that his speed would cause you to make mistakes because he does not know counters like fast dealers or he thought you were an amatuer counter.
More than likely he saw a ton of small cards hit the felt followed by your raising your bets and perhaps altering from basic strategy.

Leaving after a short period of time, especially if you wonged out on a negative count is not a mistake on your part in my opinion. Just come up with answers to accusations from dealers that fit the persona you are portraying at the table. I shoujld add that if the pit is backing you off, any answers or explainations you might have at that time will do you no good. A decision has been made and it was most likely made by someone other than the person backing you off. Just go and give them as little to remember you by as possible.

ihate17