For 'CIPHER"

[zengrifter]

CIPHER:

I personally do not appreciate your winning screenshots.

From here on out my request is that you not show casino screenshots OR otherwise portend to "prove" your trend-analysis system works by laying down some bullsh*t freeze-out challenge gamble.

Management of this forum is a bit more sophisticated than the typical visitor you get at your website.

From here on out, if you wish to discuss the mechanics and mathmetics of your system, I welcome you to post in the 'Betting Strategies' forum and together we will consider what you have or don't have.

Barring the preceeding, I will request the Senior Moderator of BJINFO to BUST your posts ON SIGHT as the transparent attempts at SPAM that I beleive they are.

Take up the challenge of discussion regarding your so-called "trend-analysis" system, or take a permanent hike.

Cape'ce? zg

 

[zengrifter]

I think we should sticky this message so it stays front and center. zg

 

[CIPHER]

Ya know ZEN, there's really only one difference between the two of us.

I'd much prefer posting factual data as to my endeavors with regards the game of Blackjack. While you're content with attempting to baffle the folks with B.S., while in the you can change the FACT that a CON is a CON is a CON.

And you have the temerity to speak ill of Jerry Patterson.

[URL="http://www.blackjackinfo.com/ZGInterview.pdf"[/URL]

 

[CIPHER]

I think we should sticky this message so it stays front and center. zg

I couldn't agree more.

Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[ScottH]

Ya know ZEN, there's really only one difference between the two of us.

I'd much prefer posting factual data as to my endeavors with regards the game of Blackjack. While you're content with attempting to baffle the folks with B.S., while in the you can change the FACT that a CON is a CON is a CON.

And you have the temerity to speak ill of Jerry Patterson.

[URL="http://www.blackjackinfo.com/ZGInterview.pdf"[/URL]

The thing is, a couple hand histories doesn't prove anything. I think zen is looking for a theoretical discussion of how your system works or doesn't work.

 

[zengrifter]

More About CIPHER

a CON is a CON is a CON.

It takes one to know one, Mr. Cipher GRANT.

For anyone chancing upon these CIPHER threads, it appears that CIPHER is unwilling to explain his so-called thread-analysis system in a rational scientific manner, however we have invited him to explain it nonetheless.

BJINFO is a science-based forum rooted in bonafide scientific analysis stemming from converging fields of statistical logic, math, and computer science.

No less that several participants in this forum are trained in the above disciplines and are fully capable of analyzing the CIPHER system, but we lack the data that only CIPHER can provide.

The little bit of data that we have thus far derived from his posts is, at best, inconsistent and unscientific.

Unless and until CIPHER passes the BJINFO ACID-TEST all readers are advised to PASS on CIPHER BJ Trend-Analysis systems and similar non-scientific fallacies like his friend Jerry Patterson's TARGET BJ system. zg

Ps - Ken, I respectfully request that CIPHER posts regarding his so-called Trend-Analysis system be posted in the 'Betting Strategies' forum, and when not be BUSTED on sight.



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[CIPHER]

It takes one to know one, Mr. Cipher GRANT.

For anyone chancing upon these CIPHER threads, it appears that CIPHER is unwilling to explain his so-called thread-analysis system in a rational scientific manner, however we have invited him to explain it nonetheless.

BJINFO is a science-based forum rooted in bonafide scientific analysis stemming from converging fields of statistical logic, math, and computer science.

No less that several participants in this forum are trained in the above disciplines and are fully capable of analyzing the CIPHER system, but we lack the data that only CIPHER can provide.

The little bit of data that we have thus far derived from his posts is, at best, inconsistent and unscientific.

Unless and until CIPHER passes the BJINFO ACID-TEST all readers are advised to PASS on CIPHER BJ Trend-Analysis systems and similar non-scientific fallacies like his friend Jerry Patterson's TARGET BJ system. zg





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bullshit blackjack systems, cipherblackjack.com, psuedo system, cipher doug grant, jerry patterson, target blackjack

What are we going to just going to gloss over the CON part ZEN? Just remember ZEN, You can take the CON out of the JOINT alla yourself, but you can't take the JOINT out of the CON can you ZEN?

There's only one true acid test to Blackjack and that's winning with consistency. And the sooner you and you're flock both realize that the better off you and they will be.

For the better part of 10 days now you and your little wannabes have been running your mouths like you or they might know something about the CIPHER program, but you havn't got a clue as to how and/or why the CIPHER program works and works well.

Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[zengrifter]

you havn't got a clue as to how and/or why the CIPHER program works and works well.

I guess you're going to keep it a secret.

-- ZenGRIFTER

 

[KenSmith]

I don't see any way that these two entirely different world views can ever be reconciled. Cipher, I recommend you head back to making your huge profits, and leave those of us unwilling to believe behind to luxuriate in our uninformed squalor.

I'm perfectly content to stick with my current understanding of how blackjack works and the profit it generates. I have no desire to waste my time looking into your system. I'm sure that to you this seems unimaginable. Just be aware that doing otherwise would be just as unimaginable to me.

 

[zengrifter]

Cipher, I recommend you head back to making your huge profits, and leave those of us unwilling to believe behind to luxuriate in our uninformed squalor.

BJINFO = "uninformed squalor" :laugh: zg

 

[E-town-guy]

What are we going to just going to gloss over the CON part ZEN? Just remember ZEN, You can take the CON out of the JOINT alla yourself, but you can't take the JOINT out of the CON can you ZEN?

There's only one true acid test to Blackjack and that's winning with consistency. And the sooner you and you're flock both realize that the better off you and they will be.

For the better part of 10 days now you and your little wannabes have been running your mouths like you or they might know something about the CIPHER program, but you havn't got a clue as to how and/or why the CIPHER program works and works well.

Have a good one.

Cipher

I have not engaged in name calling or anything of the sort but I am getting a little annoyed. Since you first posted on here a few people have asked for the information required to prove/disprove your system. Instead of bantering back and forth why don't you try and prove your system. I imagine though, you're going to say there is no need to prove it as it works for you or you'll say its in the videos, but they need a lot more data than just that.

Why don't you take my "challenge" and then we can talk about taking your $5000 challenge at intercasino?

 

[Liquid Chips]

For me, proof of a system is in consistently winning. I didn't develop "questionitis" in looking into Cipher's system and I've done very well with it. Can I explain it? Hell, no...I'm not able to say why it works only it does! RNG via computer is different from a throughly random shuffled deck of real cards. Why? The hell I know! All I know is what I see and I respond to what I see instead of what I think I'm supposed to see. I learn by observation instead of reading long scientific treatises. By the way, Cipher's real name isn't Doug Grant.

Liquid Chips

 

[zengrifter]

By the way, Cipher's real name isn't Doug Grant.

Neither is Doug Grant's. He may not be Doug Grant, but he did go to the same charm school. And I do believe him to be a reptoid. An obnoxious one at that. zg

 

[E-town-guy]

For me, proof of a system is in consistently winning. I didn't develop "questionitis" in looking into Cipher's system and I've done very well with it. Can I explain it? Hell, no...I'm not able to say why it works only it does! RNG via computer is different from a throughly random shuffled deck of real cards. Why? The hell I know! All I know is what I see and I respond to what I see instead of what I think I'm supposed to see. I learn by observation instead of reading long scientific treatises. By the way, Cipher's real name isn't Doug Grant.

Liquid Chips

An honest question, why don't you give up your day job? Sounds like you could make $1000s/month using Ciphers program.

 

[Liquid Chips]

An honest question, why don't you give up your day job? Sounds like you could make $1000s/month using Ciphers program.

Why do you assume that I must give up my day job if I am doing so well using Cipher's software? Currently a bit of the money is going toward debt. And I am a caregiver to a relative which vastly limits the amount of time I am able to play. Until the time the relative can independently live again will I be able to spend significant time to build my equity. But as of now it is just a thing I do on the side.

 

[E-town-guy]

Why do you assume that I must give up my day job if I am doing so well using Cipher's software?

I asked because it sounds like the Cipher program would be more profitable than most regular day jobs. Just looking out for your best interests!

 

[QFIT]

RNG via computer is different from a throughly random shuffled deck of real cards.

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[zengrifter]

I'm sorry, but you have no idea what you are talking about.

Why do you say that, Norm? Us laymen have heard many times that there is "no such thing as a truly random RNG".

Additionally, the invincible/all-knowing CIPHER says that various cyber casinos are using a rigged RNG that favors the house. The invincible one says that all it takes is to eyeball a color-coded real-time pattern read (below) to discent the non-random trends, after sufficient training.

Lastly, we have the testimoney from someone (LiquidChips) who is IMO reliably honest. zg

 

[KenSmith]

I think the Cipher threads have reached their logical end, and everyone who sees them has enough information to draw their own conclusions. Thread locked.