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dude

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Hi, I have mastered basic strategy and am getting good at keeping a hi-lo count (can count down a deck in about 30 seconds, sometimes less). I need some advice on how to implement my count at Foxwoods. It has 8D, DAS, DA2, LS, S17, which gives house odds of about 0.36%, I believe. The penetration is usually around 2 decks (that is 75 percent, right? Isn't that decent?)

What betting and playing strategies should I learn? Anyone have experience at Foxwoods? Pit bosses: give heat, are oblivious, or somewhere in between? Thanks for any thoughts and comments!
 

learning to count

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"Hi, I have mastered basic strategy"

And you know it without thinking. I mean you can recite it like your favorite song while driving. When playing the decision is a reaction not a thought.

"and am getting good at keeping a hi-lo count"

Can you convert to the true count; can you estimate the amount of decks left in the shoe; do you know any strategy diversion indices; do you know how much to bet per your bankroll; and per the count.

"can count down a deck in about 30 seconds, sometimes less)."

Can you count one card at a time; then two cards at a time; then three cards at a time; the pros say you must count down a deck in less than 25-22 seconds; I count 75 decks a night;

I count down one deck, one card at a time, twenty five times, average time is 12 secs. My best is 10 secs.

I count down one deck, twenty five times, two cards at a time, average time 13 secs. My best is 11 secs.

I count down one deck, Twenty five times, three cards at a time, average time is 11 secs, best time 9 secs.
This gives you card recognition. A tool that will develop into table scanning.

"I need some advice on how to implement my count at Foxwoods. It has 8D, DAS, DA2, LS, S17, which gives house odds of about 0.36%, I believe."

You should Wong at the least. If you do sit and play start at the beggining of a shoe and walk when the TC goes -1. Per the Mayor Two hands at a +two TC.(this may be different with Late Surrender). I love surrender it has cut edge of of losing big bets! Other wise your bet strategy is the same as you would bet normally according to your bankroll constraints and your risk strategy. Late surrender is great! S17 is good too. Surrendar 16 at 9,10,A. Unless you know the indices for surrendar (blackjack attack 2 Don schlesinger's Illustriuos 18 and the fab four.) Surrender is excellent when you have a high TC and a big bet out and you get a stiff.

"The penetration is usually around 2 decks (that is 75 percent, right? Isn't that decent?)"

Two decks cut off Sucks. Wong WOng WONg WONG! I know it is a madhouse there! Save your funds and go to vegas for a long weekend. The 5 hour flight sux but its worth it.

"What betting and playing strategies should I learn?"

READ READ READ: Blackjack secrets, Stanford Wong; Beyond Counting, Jean Grosjean; Million Dollar Blackjack, Ken Uston; If you are mathmaticaly knowledgeable BJ ATTACK TWO, Don Schlesinger. There is a lot more and a great list is on the left of your screen at the bottom.

" Anyone have experience at Foxwoods? Pit bosses: give heat, are oblivious, or somewhere in between? Thanks for any thoughts and comments!"

I have never been there but the information I have been given by other counters,CBJN/BJ21.com, Trackjack/Nachts AP.COM, this site, etc. is that it is crowded, huge, and sweaty.

Learning how to do this thing is tedious but it can be done. The tools you need to impliment card counting are easy to learn but you have to practice. Dont fret at my post please. You can do this. You need to focus and you need discipline.
I remember when I started learning how to fight. I was at the dojo for three months and a green belt who was the class jerk always picked on me. So I decided to spar him. Well he kicked my butt. Afterwards I practiced practiced practiced. He went to college. When he returned he thought he was still the king. He challenged me in front of the whole school including all the Sensei. I knocked him out first round. I was disciplined for not using controll.
I won because I trained my ass off. I had focus and to use a common fad term I had ZEN. I was big headed after that. Later the sensei had me fight a girl who was two years younger and a brown belt. Whew my jaw still hurts. I'm still learning, to play Blackjack too! LTC
 

Rob McGarvey

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Principles of Natural Law

A very well written post. The discipline you picked up by using your body to teach the inner you is showing ;> These principles are like keys that fit into every lock you may encounter. RC, TC, penetration, rules, bankroll, spread, wonging, all are keys.

You are also a fast counter, but that is because you are constantly practicing. A green belt or a green chipper that slacks off will begin to slow down.

He will need to be fast if he ever gets to go head to head in Vegas.

Good cards to you at Foxy!
 

BradRod

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......................You should Wong at the least. If you do sit and play start at the beggining of a shoe and walk when the TC goes -1. Per the Mayor Two hands at a +two TC.(this may be

different with Late Surrender). ....................

what do you mean by "Two hands at a +two TC.(this may be

different with Late Surrender). ...................." ? i mean if the count is +two TC don't you want to just keep playing ?

"The penetration is usually around 2 decks (that is 75 percent, right? Isn't that decent?)"

Two decks cut off Sucks. Wong WOng WONg WONG! I know it is a madhouse there! Save your funds and go to vegas for a long weekend. The 5 hour flight sux but its

worth it.

Is Vegas really the best place to play ? is that because of penetration ? or is it the availabilty of single deck games ? or is it less of a madhouse ? is it a total waste of time playing local shoe games ?
 

learning to count

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{Sorry if Iwas rushed. LTC}

......................You should Wong at the least. If you do sit and play start at the beggining of a shoe and walk when the TC goes -1. Per the Mayor Two hands at a +two TC.(this may be

different with Late Surrender). ....................

what do you mean by "Two hands at a +two TC.(this may be

{If the TC is Plus two play two hands. Because of late surrender you may be able to risk more money at a lower positive True count. I was hoping the mayor would comment.}

different with Late Surrender). ...................." ? i mean if the count is +two TC don't you want to just keep playing ?

{yes keep playing if the deck remains positive. This is due to the dealer busting more and you being able to get more Blackjacks. Leave when the TRUE COUNT minus one.}

"The penetration is usually around 2 decks (that is 75 percent, right? Isn't that decent?)"

{No it is not good. 80% is a better starting point. A lot of six deckers in LV have better than 85% cut off. I cant give you the math because I am math ignorant but I have seen and had the percentages explained to me. 75% is not good.}

Two decks cut off Sucks. Wong WOng WONg WONG! I know it is a madhouse there! Save your funds and go to vegas for a long weekend. The 5 hour flight sux but its worth it.

Is Vegas really the best place to play ? is that because of penetration ? or is it the availabilty of single deck games ? or is it less of a madhouse ? is it a total waste of time playing local shoe games ?

{Vegas is the Blackjack mecca: The gulf coast casinos are a close second.} If you play bad games you will get bad results. Iplayed terrible games for months because I was ignorant. The Mayor's one comment that sticks in my mind is that he will not play a bad game period! If you have to play a bad game WONG And low stakes. I know sometimes you just have to play. I have to get sea sick once in a while to get some action on those dam casino boats.} OH yeah I am still learning so what ever I say is not a reason to go bet your mortgage payment.
 

Rob McGarvey

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Get Your Game Down, then.......

I see you posted a similar question at another board, and would like to post a similar response here that is true Foxy style shoulder to shoulder bj play.

This also makes for some awesome plays. You can pick up a few % points by splitting and doubling with a ploppy that doesn't know when to split or double and get a good edge from their lack of playing knowledge.

Check my spread sheet for the best plays to look out for:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/files/other%20players%20hands.xls

cutnpaste all or go to the site and click the link.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blackjackcardcounterscafe/files/
 

BradRod

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Re: Get Your Game Down, then.......

I am leary about sharing money at the table. i recently observred this at a table i was playing at.

player A with a black bet down, gets a double down play. hesitates ... player B says " hey bro. double down .... passes him the chips to do it. (they do not otherwise seem to know each other , other than sitting at the same table). player A gets the good hit, makes the hand....gets paid,,, gives player A his hundred back, only.

a few deals later same exact scenario... player B offers the double down, player A gets a poor hit,,,,, loses the hand, no payoff, says to player B "sorry bro "

i wanted to say something but, thought better of it since it did not affect me and said nothing.

i just would not trust the other player.

the other consideration is that the other player may intentionally not want to double down so that they can draw a second card if they wanted to
 

Rob McGarvey

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Re: Get Your Game Down, then.......

I have also seen similar things like this happening. A split 9,9 v 6 up. A gets a win and B doesn't. A takes the win and B gets nothing. You have to be sure the person understands what you are doing. I make sure they understand "split the win or the loss" up front. If you are a thief you can also turn the whole thing around and scam the guys checks the same way. Not my bag but know this happens. It's fun to watch security come up and cuff a guy for stealing player's chips. It lets you know that the eye in the sky is actually doing its job properly. It also lets you know that they are watching you probably just as carefully.
 
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