From the trenches

learning to count

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Just some funny stories from gambling heaven.

I did a one week tour of lost wages with the team earlier this summer. Overall we did great on BJ but lost on other advantage games. During an extended play on a nice six deck shoe at some routine type lost wages casino I was betting nicely into a growing positive edge. I was making the called for plays according to the index when a losing ploppy commented on my "luck" and my moves.

He warned me that he was an experienced gambler, "over 30 years of losing", and that his so called gambling friends who were "professionals" would not take kindly to my splitting tens, hitting soft 18 against nine, ten, or ace, etc. etc.. He advised me that I could bring trouble on my self. After a few minutes of his veiled whining threats I turned to him and leaned into his face and exclaimed "what sane person would fu%k with a face like this".

I must say that I can look pretty evil when I want to. Ask the mayor he will vouch for my actors ability to look mean and evil. The ploppy backed off and stuttered "uh uh well ya gotta be careful I guess".

I quickly grabbed his arm and smiled hey I was just teasing you. He sheepishly smiled and quieted down. A few hands later and he pulled in the few red chips he had left and said good bye.

The dealer looked up at me and said that was the funniest thing I ever saw. She admitted that she had to pee bad after that show. She was relieved and ran to the potty. Later I cashed in over $800 and left the dealer a few red chips, (I know auto ape I dont tip), because she and I had a built a good association and she never called checks play on my act. Next day this payed off big.

On another day we found a dealer in another lost wages type casino where the dealer must of been the owner. He was dealing to a few cards left in the deck. The table was full but my cousin Panther counter wonged in and started decimating the chip rack. I wanted in bad but none of the asssh0l# ploppies would lose all their chips. One old bat was sitting at first base losing that months mortgage payment and every time she would go down to a few red chips she would yank out another C-note. Panther started a conversati0on with her and started lecturing to her about the evils of gambling especially when one was on a bad losing streak. Panther has a way of smiling in your face as he sticks the dagger in your back. All the time the idiot kept yanking out those c-notes. Finally Panther made a comment on how she was looking tired and she should take a break. She stood up and started swearing at him, "You just want my seat, fu%k you". Panther was able to convince the PC that the woman was drunk. Panther just kept on playing and getting richer. Sadly I had to watch. It was okay because I gave him my session bankroll and doubled his bets! She ended up losing several thousand. Oh well Panther tried to be the good samaritan. We ended up rich and ate and drank for free!

One final incident made me a believer! Panther and I wonged into a healthy count and did some nominal damage to the rack. A "lucky" ploppy woman was at first base losing her breast augmentation down payment. When she was down to a few hundred in green Panther was able to convince her that a real gambler would wager the whole stack in a do or die scenario. Well she did and to our dismay got a blackjack. Well she was Panthercounters friend for life or at least until she lost. Panther then convinced her she was "lucky". Her frustrated losing husband was standing behind her whining about dinner. Panther then got him to agree that wagering the whole stack was worth it. "Hey it was the casino's money not hers!" She put it out there and BANG! Jed's a millionaire! She busted and we got the table to our selves. Poor ploppy! Hey she even thanked ole Panther for the advice!

Well well children time to go back to work. Papa needs a new fishing boat!
 

phantom007

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Hitting A,8 vs. 9,10,A??????

LTC, enjoyed the post, but come-on ma'am, hitting A,8 vs. 9,10,A??????????

Likely just trying to get "shock value" on your post.

Would I f#ck with YOUR FACE....well, depends.......dentures, beard, mustache,
etc., plus "Buy me diner"...options are open!

GRIN!

ph.7.
 

gehrig

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your act must be the magnet for the advice/criticism.

were you to look like an outlaw biker or snake pliskin, the advice and all manner of criticism would cease... be they from fellow contestants, dealers, or the pit. and, you might get a little more elbow room at crowded bars or 21 tables.
 

learning to count

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Hollywood or way off Broadway

My act is basically to play at the table with what approach will have the best effect to allow me to play as long as possible to take advantage of a great game. I try to come in low key and then figure out what the environment is like. I have always been adept at being the chamelion.

Usually the players are staring at the game as is the dealer. The pit supervisor is sizing you up from affar and basically waits for the dealer to alert him. They tend to size up your play not your appearance. This is usually the case.

Close observation occurs because of bet size then your ability to play; vis a vis winning. Unless the pit knows you then all bets are off anyway. The plop in question did not really look at me physically at first. He was watching my play. If you make simple correct index plays you will draw heat; (hitting soft 18 against nine ten or ace); Especially if you draw a card the next plop believes would have "kept the flow positive" for the table.

Other than playing in the western most of the players I have played with are non-threatoning. Most are into the game win or lose. As I said I switched into that character for that brief moment. I then emediately switched back to a calm half joking half apologetic personality. If I see a great game I would probably still play it even if a skunk was at first base. Who cares how a another player looks at the tables. Its how you can take advantage of the game is what counts. Keep on counting. LTC
 

learning to count

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Thanks auto-ape!

Hey Phantom maybe you should have taken a day off from the saw mill and came and gambled with panther and me. I know I know ya gotta build the BR! Maybe next time!
 

eyesfor21

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dont want heat,then don't play

some places seriously sweat some smarter places do not
care as they realize no matter how good you are
you can still get creamed!!
hit a7 is not that odd, more are learning basic these days.
so just play or don't play
 

gehrig

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not quite accurate.

the earliest (50's ?) "counter" i recall from literature was the "greasy john" fellow who would join/open a table and bring out a bag of fried chicken. those were the days when there was little concern for placing items on the layout. other players apparently left the table, unrelated to his play of any hand. thus his appearance and that of the greasy bag of fried chicken drove them off.

unsavory or threatening appearing players, those who smoked offensive smelling materials, or even those with filthy/odorous clothing might do the same thing today. that before *any* hand might have been dealt. of course, i'd stick around to watch the act, though "ploppies" likely would vamoose and the 'stiffs might stand back and attend to other duties.

those who cannot think out of the box are fair grist for the pit game protection cum surveillance apparat. relying on a few, close, "bad"/"cover" plays sure wouldn't mask advantage play from me. would you be so fooled ?
 
Bad plays for cover

I don't know, in today's game with player's cards why make a bad play for cover? The backoff doesn't come from the pit usually, but from upstairs where your record at the casino is treated as a whole. So when I want cover, I go play slots for a while, and I make it a point to lose at least 5% of my EV in negative EV games. I get it all back in coupons.
 

gehrig

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freebie...

better is to have someone else crank the mileage on your player's card. thus the player profile is bulked up with "good" play. since *so far*, the slot card reader is not specific to the actual player, this'll work. while slot machines are monitored by the eye, the spacing of these cameras results in poor images, not amenable as i've seen, to quality identification. and surely not useful for biometric imaging/identification.

to blow your own funds, whatever percentage, on at least slots, is unprofitable. the only time i do that...the usual suspect, adjacent dice table or bank of slots, is when i exit a table under pitstiff attention.
 

learning to count

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Good point auto ape...

I play video poker from time to time if there are any 9/6 machines. I used to do this at the Palms. Make sure you know perfect strategy first! Great comps at the dollar machines!
 

phantom007

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Greasy Fried Chicken, Smoking things that Smell Funny......

sounds like the Western to me....2004, not 1950's.

BTW, why/how could one be threatened at the Western?

phantom007.
 

gehrig

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one thing about the western is that...

a senior manager hasn't "accidently" succumbed to a "designer" drug overdose.

i wonder if that casino will name a cocktail after the fellow. what rhymes with fentanyl ?
 

Sonny

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what rhymes with fentanyl?

Feelin' ill
Sleepin' pill
Pharmacy bill
Feel a chill
Floorman kill
Gentle frill
Dented quill
Infertile
Final will
Frigid still
Deadened shill
Massengill

Well, maybe that last one's not a good name for a cocktail...but we could make a pretty good song with all that stuff!

-Sonny-
 

gehrig

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that one option, "pharmacy bill"...

might be the go-to guy/bartender for the yet to be named, "house special" refreshment.
 
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