Frustrated with east coast BJ

[kewljason]

My year got off to a very fast start winning just over 50 grand in 18,120 hands played (est) in Vegas in January and February. This was several times above expectation.

Then I headed east for 6 and a half weeks of playing in AC and Foxwoods, seeing friends, enjoying spring weather and waiting for the phillies home opener on april 12. What was I thinking? 3 and a half weeks into this trip I am so frustrated I am returing to Vegas early. My bankroll is down $4250 after 4800 hands. This includes a 4 grand video poker win, while playing through blackjack generated, slot credit comps, so my actual BJ results are down $8250, but that's not the issue. The problem is it is so frustrating to play. AC has been very crowded on the weekends. During the week, they are not crowded but they don't open any tables! (Borgata is decent to play at. If there were 2 more like it, AC would be worthwhile.) My one trip to Foxwoods was the same thing, probably worse. It wasn't crowded but they refuse to open any tables. They want the open tables to be full, which means getting 50 hands an hour. I can't understand this mentality of having people standing around unable to find a place to play.

I will be back in a few weeks for the Phillies home opener and no doubt be back east in july and august when the desert hit 110 degrees, but want to guess where the majority of my blackjack will be played for the remainder of the year? Maybe when Pa and Delaware get BJ up and running this summer, things will improve.

 

[Polarbearsolvent]

Well, I can sympathize with crowds and game selection in the region to be sure. But there are some diamonds in the rough depending on what you are looking for. Try tagging some locations during the middle of the week. Depending on time of year you can get some pretty choice spots and not have to deal with crowds.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

The basic problem is casinos don't like to gamble, and they do not want to take the risk of hiring more pit personnel.

But there does seem to be something pathological going on too, where they want the patrons to be miserable at crowded tables. I've heard the Asians don't mind it, and that's all they're interested in for table games anyway so it might be intended to shoo the Caucasians over to the slot machines.

 

[kewljason]

The basic problem is casinos don't like to gamble, and they do not want to take the risk of hiring more pit personnel.

But there does seem to be something pathological going on too, where they want the patrons to be miserable at crowded tables. I've heard the Asians don't mind it, and that's all they're interested in for table games anyway so it might be intended to shoo the Caucasians over to the slot machines.

That's pretty funny, Monkey, and sad if true. :laugh: This is one caucasian they are shooing right out the front door.

I have been feeling bad for AC when I read the revenue reports each month, but the people in charge are just complete idiots. Except for the Borgata, which is decently run, they deserve everything they get! They have never adjusted to the fact that they no longer have the monopoly east of the Mississippi that they enjoyed for 20+ years and now they are just being stupid.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

That's pretty funny, Monkey, and sad if true. :laugh: This is one caucasian they are shooing right out the front door.

And good riddance, they would say, if they knew who you really were. They want the superstitious gambler who stands on 12 vs. 7. Even a decent Basic Strategy player they consider to be a waste of their resources, when he could be playing a game that gives them 5% or more. Note that they would rather have a dealer standing at an empty carnival game table than open up a BJ table.

I have been feeling bad for AC when I read the revenue reports each month, but the people in charge are just complete idiots. Except for the Borgata, which is decently run, they deserve everything they get! They have never adjusted to the fact that they no longer have the monopoly east of the Mississippi that they enjoyed for 20+ years and now they are just being stupid.

They always were stupid. Gaming is not an industry that attracts intelligent or ambitious people. They were tainted by the slot bonanza and just refuse to believe that era is over for them now that people can go to more convenient and comfortable places to play slots.

What will happen when the other Eastern venues open up tables? No clue, they might try to compete, but more likely they will just make their games fewer and worse, thinking they will extract even more from the customers that remain. Any con man knows it's safer to go back after a known victim than to try to cultivate new victims.

 

[21forme]

They always were stupid. Gaming is not an industry that attracts intelligent or ambitious people. They were tainted by the slot bonanza and just refuse to believe that era is over for them now that people can go to more convenient and comfortable places to play slots.

Plenty of industries have had windfalls for years and had no clue what to do when the business environment changed - hospitals, financial institutions, gov't contractors (to a lesser degree, as the gov't is still the world's most poorly run business).

BTW, I was chatting with a PC at one of my local casinos recently and he told me that table games makes up 4% of the casino's revenue. I don't know if this is typical of the industry.

 

[kewljason]

Plenty of industries have had windfalls for years and had no clue what to do when the business environment changed - hospitals, financial institutions, gov't contractors (to a lesser degree, as the gov't is still the world's most poorly run business).

BTW, I was chatting with a PC at one of my local casinos recently and he told me that table games makes up 4% of the casino's revenue. I don't know if this is typical of the industry.

Not sure where your local casino is, but it certainly isn't typical of AC. Looking at the february revenue report released by the casino control commission, table games on average generated about a third of casino revenue ranging from a low of 20.7% for Showboatto a high of 41.7% for Caesars.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Not sure where your local casino is, but it certainly isn't typical of AC. Looking at the february revenue report released by the casino control commission, table games on average generated about a third of casino revenue ranging from a low of 20.7% for Showboatto a high of 41.7% for Caesars.

That's the way it is now, but it used to be a bit lower before all the slot players disappeared. 20% was around average I recall.

 

[creeping panther]

No sense

in crying over the AC situation,,,,find a fine game and play it, find great VP and play it, find a weak dealer and play them.

Play them while you can, because soon they may very well be gone.

Then you can cry:sad:

CP

 

[nottooshabby]

The basic problem is casinos don't like to gamble, and they do not want to take the risk of hiring more pit personnel.

But there does seem to be something pathological going on too, where they want the patrons to be miserable at crowded tables. I've heard the Asians don't mind it, and that's all they're interested in for table games anyway so it might be intended to shoo the Caucasians over to the slot machines.

Not sure where your local casino is, but it certainly isn't typical of AC. Looking at the february revenue report released by the casino control commission, table games on average generated about a third of casino revenue ranging from a low of 20.7% for Showboatto a high of 41.7% for Caesars.

Conclusion? Asians like Caesar's!!

 

[21forme]

The number for Showboat table games sounds high, considering how few tables are open there any more.

 

[OhioTR]

in crying over the AC situation,,,,find a fine game and play it, find great VP and play it, find a weak dealer and play them.

Play them while you can, because soon they may very well be gone.

Then you can cry:sad:

CP

Oh crap CP - you know something we dont?? or seeing a scary trend??

 

[creeping panther]

Tr

Oh crap CP - you know something we dont?? or seeing a scary trend??

Just a trend.

CP

 

[shadroch]

There are some wonderful opps out there, you just have to think outside the box.

 

[b jay cobbson]

Jason...You were spoiled in January & February...

..."several times expectation"...You know, at the end of the day, the long run, your play will end up right on expectation. There is no reason for it not to.

Anyway, hoping the Phillies have a good year. Ae you know the weather finally broke here in Vegas and the days are sunny and the sun is warm.

Jay

 

[kewljason]

..."several times expectation"...You know, at the end of the day, the long run, your play will end up right on expectation. There is no reason for it not to.

Anyway, hoping the Phillies have a good year. Ae you know the weather finally broke here in Vegas and the days are sunny and the sun is warm.

Jay

Mr BJC, you have made me feel much more than welcome in vegas with both your public post (here and BJ21) and private messages. I know all about 'the long run' and have no problem with losing sessions and/or periods to get there (that's why they call it the long run). I just want/require the opportunity to play and I don't see that right now on the east coast.

As for the Phillies. I can guarantee the Phillies will have a 'good' year. Too much talent not too...lol Will they win a championship?...well thats another level of discussion...lol I will be back in Vegas shortly for most of the spring early summer. (sunny and warm sounds delightful) I will admit I have made plans that don't involve Vegas for July/august. (sunny and horridly hot doesn't sound as delightful) lol.

 

[b jay cobbson]

Jason...It won't be long until you're playing at the Wynn...

...ON DELAWARE AVENUE!

This even I will have to take a trip to see.

Cobbson

 

[21forme]

The LV Wynn is not a wonderful game (outside the HL room). Why would the Phila Wynn be any better?

 

[shadroch]

For low stakes players, don't overlook your local charity games. Most of them suck, but I've found a few that are like going fishing with hand grenades.

 

[b jay cobbson]

I can assure you, the blackjack in Philly will be lousy...

The LV Wynn is not a wonderful game (outside the HL room). Why would the Phila Wynn be any better?

...Regardless, the casinos there will be packed and very profitable.

Cobbson