Great Article on Mr. Wong
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Titaniumman
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You're Wrong on Wong
SW didn't say anything with which the "math gurus" would disagree. As a matter of fact, the article clearly and factually describes SW as a "math guru" and problem solver.
Streaks do occur, but their duration can only be determined after they have ended. Streaks and luck, both good and bad, all fit into the math of probability and standard deviation.
The math folks are constantly trying to tell you this. It's just a matter of terminology.
SW didn't say anything with which the "math gurus" would disagree. As a matter of fact, the article clearly and factually describes SW as a "math guru" and problem solver.
Streaks do occur, but their duration can only be determined after they have ended. Streaks and luck, both good and bad, all fit into the math of probability and standard deviation.
The math folks are constantly trying to tell you this. It's just a matter of terminology.
learning to count
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Titaniumman is right!
Hey metal man long time no post! Streaks do occur but dont take that as an indication that you will have the ability within to predict them. SW does not believe in such nonsense. The only way to recognize a streak is after it has occured then you can bitch and moan of why you didn't bet a hundred dollars a hand!
Hey metal man long time no post! Streaks do occur but dont take that as an indication that you will have the ability within to predict them. SW does not believe in such nonsense. The only way to recognize a streak is after it has occured then you can bitch and moan of why you didn't bet a hundred dollars a hand!
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
I have a kind of renewed respect for both Wong and Snyder. I'm not sure exactly why I got into that frame of mind from the beginning. I think it was from having Kraft dinner fed to me for so long that it made me sick of eating Kraft dinner. Now I find that what I thought was Kraft dinner is actually shrimp fettuccini alfredo. I had to see passed all that commercialism that now surrounds them to see the man inside.
resPECT y'all!
I have a kind of renewed respect for both Wong and Snyder. I'm not sure exactly why I got into that frame of mind from the beginning. I think it was from having Kraft dinner fed to me for so long that it made me sick of eating Kraft dinner. Now I find that what I thought was Kraft dinner is actually shrimp fettuccini alfredo. I had to see passed all that commercialism that now surrounds them to see the man inside.
resPECT y'all!
learning to count
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
What commercialism? They still provide a lot of info and intelligence on the game for free. The on line services they offer are valuable even at the price they charge. So they have expanded and are selling thier wares. I learned how to count from both Wong and Snyder. I learned how to play the game from the interaction on the paid and free pages of thier sites. SO when you say commercialism are you refering to selling out to the casinos or are you saying a couple of geniuses who figured how to make the game pay a positive EV even beyond the tables. I think the casinos are into the commercialism they have the balls to say 6/5 single deck black jack is a great game that gamblers have demanded. Tisk Tisk shame on you Rob! You of all people should think about what you say before you say it. Hows your book ACES AND FACES doing are you still offering the hundred bucks free to play online BJ????? AT least you did realize that you were wrong!
What commercialism? They still provide a lot of info and intelligence on the game for free. The on line services they offer are valuable even at the price they charge. So they have expanded and are selling thier wares. I learned how to count from both Wong and Snyder. I learned how to play the game from the interaction on the paid and free pages of thier sites. SO when you say commercialism are you refering to selling out to the casinos or are you saying a couple of geniuses who figured how to make the game pay a positive EV even beyond the tables. I think the casinos are into the commercialism they have the balls to say 6/5 single deck black jack is a great game that gamblers have demanded. Tisk Tisk shame on you Rob! You of all people should think about what you say before you say it. Hows your book ACES AND FACES doing are you still offering the hundred bucks free to play online BJ????? AT least you did realize that you were wrong!
Titaniumman
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
I usually create a new subject heading so that folks scanning the threads can get an overview of the direction in which the thread is evolving, but this is such a nice heading that who am I to change it?
LTC, it's good to talk to you also.
I don't think Rob meant any harm in his post. There is some commercialism on the sites to be sure. The flashing and jiggling banners on the free page are a nuisance, but it's like commercials on network television. The revenue has to come from somewhere to pay the employees and the bills. If you want to enjoy commercial-free service, you have to pay for HBO and Greenchip.
I can whole-heartedly say this:
I have met and had business dealings with Stanford Wong. He is an honest businessman who listens to the opinions of others, but forms his own opinions and stands by them.
I have also had lengthy phone conversations with Arnold Snyder and in-depth correspondence with him. I turned to this man when I needed help, and he gave me better guidance and assistance than anyone else in the world could have.
I have also had much correspondence with Don Schlesinger. He too, has been a friend and has been extremely helpful to me.
It is coincidental that these three gentlemen are the top three current leaders to our community who now facilitate the greatest recent advancements to our art. I am glad to call them my friends.
I usually create a new subject heading so that folks scanning the threads can get an overview of the direction in which the thread is evolving, but this is such a nice heading that who am I to change it?
LTC, it's good to talk to you also.
I don't think Rob meant any harm in his post. There is some commercialism on the sites to be sure. The flashing and jiggling banners on the free page are a nuisance, but it's like commercials on network television. The revenue has to come from somewhere to pay the employees and the bills. If you want to enjoy commercial-free service, you have to pay for HBO and Greenchip.
I can whole-heartedly say this:
I have met and had business dealings with Stanford Wong. He is an honest businessman who listens to the opinions of others, but forms his own opinions and stands by them.
I have also had lengthy phone conversations with Arnold Snyder and in-depth correspondence with him. I turned to this man when I needed help, and he gave me better guidance and assistance than anyone else in the world could have.
I have also had much correspondence with Don Schlesinger. He too, has been a friend and has been extremely helpful to me.
It is coincidental that these three gentlemen are the top three current leaders to our community who now facilitate the greatest recent advancements to our art. I am glad to call them my friends.
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
Thanks for understanding what I meant TMan. It was a confession, not an attack on the Masters of BJ. Both men knew when they saw Thorps work they were onto something large. If we compare SW and AS to Thorp it is like night and day in the commercial department. AS confesses that he is a writer, not a professional player in BJ Wisdom. They are both fantastic writers and players, and make no bones about selling books for a living. Nothing wrong with that. Peter Griffin fits into the Thorp mould, as does Alienated. I could only wish to know AS SW and DS the way you do TMan. Some things are just not in the cards for me.
Thanks for understanding what I meant TMan. It was a confession, not an attack on the Masters of BJ. Both men knew when they saw Thorps work they were onto something large. If we compare SW and AS to Thorp it is like night and day in the commercial department. AS confesses that he is a writer, not a professional player in BJ Wisdom. They are both fantastic writers and players, and make no bones about selling books for a living. Nothing wrong with that. Peter Griffin fits into the Thorp mould, as does Alienated. I could only wish to know AS SW and DS the way you do TMan. Some things are just not in the cards for me.
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
"What commercialism?"
At BJF it is a part of HP and LVA. At BJ21 it is a part of PY. Both have paid areas. And free areas.
"They still provide a lot of info and intelligence on the game for free. The on line services they offer are valuable even at the price they charge. So they have expanded and are selling thier wares."
Capitalism is a good thing.
"I learned how to count from both Wong and Snyder. I learned how to play the game from the interaction on the paid and free pages of thier sites."
My first brush with counting was from the book The New Gamblers Bible. I learned the High Low from that book, discovered a bit about SB, poker, which I already played (read Ozzy Jacoby way back), and Tbred horse racing, and all of the type L games. L=loser games. Then I got M$BJ, learned the UAPC. Discovered the Hi Opt II and tried to find info on that and ended up on the web. So maybe I didn't come up the way you did. The one thing I learned about schoolin is that you only learn as fast as the school will let you. I went from grade 9 to 13, got to the $$ fast and now decide to do 10 11 and 12 night school to fill in all of the blanks.
"SO when you say commercialism are you refering to selling out to the casinos"
No. What would make you think that? I've seen others saying that about them. Like Wong selling a list of GC members to Griffins. Total hogwash. That makes zero sense.
"or are you saying a couple of geniuses who figured how to make the game pay a positive EV even beyond the tables."
That genius is Thorp and the Four Horsemen that preceeded them. Revere and Humble climbed the rope before they did. No matter who came first, they are all wise men.
"I think the casinos are into the commercialism. They have the balls to say 6/5 single deck black jack is a great game that gamblers have demanded."
Okay. Where have you seen that they are claiming players demand 6/5 BJ?
"Tisk Tisk shame on you Rob!"
Why??
"You of all people should think about what you say before you say it."
I think I do. I waited a long time after I saw this post to reply to it.
"Hows your book ACES AND FACES doing?"
Fine. It is being updated at the printers.
"Are you still offering the hundred bucks free to play online BJ?????"
Only $100?? ;> Somehow, I think you already know the answer to that question. I've probably paid you close to $1000 already and don't even know it.
"At least you did realize that you were wrong!"
It's not a wrong or right thing. How do you gauge respect? Do you start of at 50% with people you do not know or 0% or 100%? Everyone has their own answer to that question. It was more like being able to see Norma Jean inside Marilyn Monroe.
"Goodbye Norma Jean...."
"What commercialism?"
At BJF it is a part of HP and LVA. At BJ21 it is a part of PY. Both have paid areas. And free areas.
"They still provide a lot of info and intelligence on the game for free. The on line services they offer are valuable even at the price they charge. So they have expanded and are selling thier wares."
Capitalism is a good thing.
"I learned how to count from both Wong and Snyder. I learned how to play the game from the interaction on the paid and free pages of thier sites."
My first brush with counting was from the book The New Gamblers Bible. I learned the High Low from that book, discovered a bit about SB, poker, which I already played (read Ozzy Jacoby way back), and Tbred horse racing, and all of the type L games. L=loser games. Then I got M$BJ, learned the UAPC. Discovered the Hi Opt II and tried to find info on that and ended up on the web. So maybe I didn't come up the way you did. The one thing I learned about schoolin is that you only learn as fast as the school will let you. I went from grade 9 to 13, got to the $$ fast and now decide to do 10 11 and 12 night school to fill in all of the blanks.
"SO when you say commercialism are you refering to selling out to the casinos"
No. What would make you think that? I've seen others saying that about them. Like Wong selling a list of GC members to Griffins. Total hogwash. That makes zero sense.
"or are you saying a couple of geniuses who figured how to make the game pay a positive EV even beyond the tables."
That genius is Thorp and the Four Horsemen that preceeded them. Revere and Humble climbed the rope before they did. No matter who came first, they are all wise men.
"I think the casinos are into the commercialism. They have the balls to say 6/5 single deck black jack is a great game that gamblers have demanded."
Okay. Where have you seen that they are claiming players demand 6/5 BJ?
"Tisk Tisk shame on you Rob!"
Why??
"You of all people should think about what you say before you say it."
I think I do. I waited a long time after I saw this post to reply to it.
"Hows your book ACES AND FACES doing?"
Fine. It is being updated at the printers.
"Are you still offering the hundred bucks free to play online BJ?????"
Only $100?? ;> Somehow, I think you already know the answer to that question. I've probably paid you close to $1000 already and don't even know it.
"At least you did realize that you were wrong!"
It's not a wrong or right thing. How do you gauge respect? Do you start of at 50% with people you do not know or 0% or 100%? Everyone has their own answer to that question. It was more like being able to see Norma Jean inside Marilyn Monroe.
"Goodbye Norma Jean...."
learning to count
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
Your original post seemed critical. In my experience those who say someone or some thing has gone commercial see that as a negative almost anti capitalistic. As far as the $1000 can you send me a check! Good explanation on your part.
Your original post seemed critical. In my experience those who say someone or some thing has gone commercial see that as a negative almost anti capitalistic. As far as the $1000 can you send me a check! Good explanation on your part.
Learning to understand R Mcgarvey
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
Rob all criticism aside...there was a Vegas Marquee that was advertising "Back by popular demand", "single deck Black Jack",..."pays 6/5", like it was some great thing. Itwas either Ba!!y's or M&M or both. I have a witness too: LAS VEGAS BEAR. He saw it too. HEy Rob when you took that photo in front of the RIV did you try and squeeze those cheeks on the wall????
Rob all criticism aside...there was a Vegas Marquee that was advertising "Back by popular demand", "single deck Black Jack",..."pays 6/5", like it was some great thing. Itwas either Ba!!y's or M&M or both. I have a witness too: LAS VEGAS BEAR. He saw it too. HEy Rob when you took that photo in front of the RIV did you try and squeeze those cheeks on the wall????
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Titaniumman is right!
I can see how you thought that, but what bothers me is how you responded to me, like you have some kind of growing grudge or something. I am a BJ player first. Second, I am here to help people climb the bean stalk to grab the golden goose. I am also a savvy business minded person that figured out ways to make money for all of us. I do not send slot players to their BR graves. I've been tarred and feathered with the same brush they use on onLand and onLine casinos by people that come to quick conclusions. That is fine with me. It is the mind that thinks for itself that I am looking for. Lies about good men often tend to weed people out and what you end up with is a batch of thinking living breathing real long life good friends. (I overpaid a player of mine and was happily surprised that he pointed it out and sent the money back to me.) I would like to think that would include you, AS, SW, DS, etc and many other people and players here and abroad.
I can see how you thought that, but what bothers me is how you responded to me, like you have some kind of growing grudge or something. I am a BJ player first. Second, I am here to help people climb the bean stalk to grab the golden goose. I am also a savvy business minded person that figured out ways to make money for all of us. I do not send slot players to their BR graves. I've been tarred and feathered with the same brush they use on onLand and onLine casinos by people that come to quick conclusions. That is fine with me. It is the mind that thinks for itself that I am looking for. Lies about good men often tend to weed people out and what you end up with is a batch of thinking living breathing real long life good friends. (I overpaid a player of mine and was happily surprised that he pointed it out and sent the money back to me.) I would like to think that would include you, AS, SW, DS, etc and many other people and players here and abroad.
Rob McGarvey
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Learning to Change Your Alias
"Rob all criticism aside...there was a Vegas Marquee that was advertising "Back by popular demand", "single deck Black Jack",..."pays 6/5", like it was some great thing. Itwas either Ba!!y's or M&M or both. I have a witness too: LAS VEGAS BEAR. He saw it too."
That answers that question. I never doubted that it was advertised, but the way it was presented to me was like I wrote the ad and hung it up with ardock nails someplace.
"HEy Rob when you took that photo in front of the RIV did you try and squeeze those cheeks on the wall????"
Hahahahaha!! They look squeezable let me tell you. I saw the show for free, which was rather lame. The best part of it was the comedy acts that go with it. Do NOT sit at the front! About the only real quality of those quail tails is that they stay hot after the sun gets off them. When the sun is beaming on them you'd have a hard time hanging onto that hot piece of ass!! laugh
"Rob all criticism aside...there was a Vegas Marquee that was advertising "Back by popular demand", "single deck Black Jack",..."pays 6/5", like it was some great thing. Itwas either Ba!!y's or M&M or both. I have a witness too: LAS VEGAS BEAR. He saw it too."
That answers that question. I never doubted that it was advertised, but the way it was presented to me was like I wrote the ad and hung it up with ardock nails someplace.
"HEy Rob when you took that photo in front of the RIV did you try and squeeze those cheeks on the wall????"
Hahahahaha!! They look squeezable let me tell you. I saw the show for free, which was rather lame. The best part of it was the comedy acts that go with it. Do NOT sit at the front! About the only real quality of those quail tails is that they stay hot after the sun gets off them. When the sun is beaming on them you'd have a hard time hanging onto that hot piece of ass!! laugh
learning to count
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Ditto on their faces!
When I saw the show (I paid like the dumb ploppy I was); I really did not see their faces but I did see a lot of silicone enhancement. Your right about the show being as bad as the two free drinks you get. Did your drinks glow? Even in the light???
When I saw the show (I paid like the dumb ploppy I was); I really did not see their faces but I did see a lot of silicone enhancement. Your right about the show being as bad as the two free drinks you get. Did your drinks glow? Even in the light???
Rob McGarvey
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Re: Ditto on their faces!
I think we both got one drink for free. That went down before we got into the show. I think they were late that night. This was before I was married. The girl I was with had as much silly cones as the performers did! evil grin
I think we both got one drink for free. That went down before we got into the show. I think they were late that night. This was before I was married. The girl I was with had as much silly cones as the performers did! evil grin