Griping dealer

[john]

Finally ran into one of the worst dealers ever. I usually tip dealers (if I tip at all) when I am leaving the table. So I sit down at this table with this Korean dealer. I am throwing out green chips and losing so she encourages me to bet a red chip. Thinking okay, I'll spread 1 to 60 if you want me to !! I start betting a red chip then switch to the green chip spread that I had planned when the count went to +1 . I knew it was going to cause panic but these days I find it amusing. I start winning big time and am up 28 green units. She thinks that I just won over 1000 dollars and start complaining about me not tipping her. I tipped her then a 2.50 piece. She had that ability to talk for 3 minutes and say something that she could have accomplished in the first sentence. She kept talking and talking. When I finally left still up 28 units, she was telling everyone that I had just won 1000 dollars and didn't tip her. I told her that I didn't even play an hour but tipped her 2.50 but she just kept going on and on. It was almost like a fight.

She was practically yelling when I walked away from the table, and she was acting this way right in front of the pit boss. The woman was hysterical. I guess she wanted a black chip since that is 10% of 1000. I will never tip more than 2.50 at a time. I did tip a $5 piece when I won every hand of the shoe and made 1500 dollars. That woman put me in a bad mood, and I don't usually get in bad moods when I am playing blackjack even if I am losing.

 

[Felix Rue-de-Guerre]

I occasionally think to tell dealers during a winning streak that I feel bad that I can't tip them, but I just lost a lot of money at another casino/another table. I get the response "That's OK" %100 of the time.

Who knows, maybe I've averted said situation at some point. But there will always be a**holes.

-Felix

 

[eyesfor21]

how much to they give us when we loose

or do they think we win all the time.

When one asks they get 0,when one never asks they occasionally
get a touch.

Kinda like a loved one asking-if for a b-day gift,if
she does this to you,take the greedy warning signs.
LEAVE

 

[Victoria]

Re: Griping dealer/ what about the pit

In my naive way I would think if this dealer can not stop complaining to all the players either immediately or on a break, the game supervisor should read her the riot act. It is lesson two in how to empty a table of players, make everyone uncomfortable by complaining about them. Lesson one is of course, wipe everyone out (the pit approves of L1 but not L2). A pro in the pit would not let this happen again.

You mentioned that she was Korean. My uncle (also an AP) spent many years living in Korea and I mentioned to him about something I witnessed at the Trop in Vegas a few years ago. A Korean man betting black won over $10,000 from a Korean woman dealer and never toked her till she was relieved. He then tossed high in the air a red chip (tossed with an air of distain my opinion and probably the dealers also) which the dealer saw and turned her back on. The relief dealer did take the chip. A lot of unspoken stuff going on there. My uncle equates it with the way older Korean men feel about women and how Americanized Korean women feel about the old ways.

I tip very modestly but not getting a thank you on my first toke means that I will not toke again. Complaining for tokes guarantees none. I tend to be friendly with dealers, (toking $1 helps me tok a little more often) but I have no problem siting at a table with a dealer that hates my guts as long as they do not deal seconds. They are stuck with me. I can always leave.

 

[suicyco maniac]

dealers....

...are just like anyone else....there are a-holes and there are decent people. One of the worst I have heard of was from a friend of mine where the dealer kept saying "I hooked you up now you're supposed to hook me up" everytime the dealer walked by a table my friend was playing out he would repeat the same mantra this went on all day. One of the worst I had was a dealer kept telling me a llllooonnnggg story about how her dad went to Vegas and bought in for 40 bucks and ran it up to 2K and didn't even toke the dealers cuz he didn't know you are supposed to (obviously cuz I wasn't tipping) this story lasted over an hour and even changed to "then he went back to Vegas the next year and bought in for 40 bucks and this time he knew he was supposed to tip and he won even more then he won the first time and the dealer made a grand too...thats how its supposed to work" Lucky for me the dealer was so caught up in her story that she pretty much forgot how to add and I ended up making several hundred in mispayments. SM

 

[deZerTomB]

Re: dealers....

I had a dealer whine for a tip in downtown vegas. After I told if I won I would tip but no tip if I lose, he started asking what my shoes and clothes cost. I could not believe it!!! I dress real casual, dockers at the most. When he asked about my car, I said you probably make more money than me. Also the first few times I raised my bet, he was teasing me saying ooohhh you're betting $25 now. Thankfully that didn't last long as I won most of those. But he kept on crying about his lack of money. My responses were to get a better job or try sitting on this side of the table & make a living if you think it's tough from the dealer's side. I would have left right away, but I was getting good counts (double deck). When the count went bad, I didn't need another excuse to leave.

On another trip, downtown again different joint, dealer was telling every player that sat down about a guy there earlier who won every hand that had a dealer bet in front of it and lost every hand that didn't. then made a big deal about every losing hand. "See no dealer bet, you lose".

Where do they get these people?, beggars off the streets of some third world country?

But then some are cool professionals, so what can you do?

Avoid the whiners, that's what.

 

[rocky]

Re: dealers....

you guys all amaze me...dealers make minimum wage from the joint and depend on tokes for 80% of their income. A big fat $2.50 toke...you joking or what? I've been on both sides of the felt and NEVER forgot what a tough grind it is for both sides. Downtown dealers? They're lucky if they make $30K a year...only the Golden Nugget has any type of play which gives dealers a chance to make a decent living. How do you define a decent living? Well, living in a nice apartment in a decent area or owing a home or condo(instead of a rent by the week/month apartment motel)...driving a decent set of wheels instead of an 8 year old clunker...being able to set up a 401K or buy mutual funds/stocks instead of living from toke envelope to toke envelope. These dealers aren't asking for green/black action on their tokes...just a $1 toke a couple times every deck/shoe would be enough. Complaining? How would you like to put in 8 tough hours and make $40 in tokes(usual average for most downtown joints) aHave some compassion, people....

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: dealers....

When I play felt I always tip, even if it is only 5 whites played for the dealer over the course of an hour or two. I give the waitress a whitey for each coffee, pay far too much in gas to play felt anyways, so a buck or two isn't going to make a difference. If five bucks hurts your bottom line you should not be playing blackjack, simple. Now if the guy is a prick, then he gets dick.

 

[Brillo]

Re: dealers....

It really doesn't make much sense to be a cheapskate when you are a counter. A dollar bet for the dealer every now and then should keep most dealers from saying anything.

I could give a shit if someone counts cards, hell, I want the players to win. But if they don't tip, I shift into overdrive, dishing out as many hands as possible, trying to beat them. And I'm not winning, I'll inform shifty on my break that there's a counter on my table. And where I work, they will boot your ass, pronto. And it's too bad, too, since we deal good games.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: dealers....

I feel no matter what position you hold as a job, you should be treated with respect and courtesy, dealer and counter alike. We are not what we do for a living, we are so much more.

 

[Brillo]

Re: dealers....

I agree. I'm usually already pissed off on the days I have to deal this stupid game so when I have a counter/stiff on the table I just might be in the mood to be the lapdog of the casino.

However, if the counter makes some bets for me, I become the counter's best friend. I cut the the deck(s) super thin, I forget to call out that you are DDing on 12 or 13, if you want to split face cards and the other players get pissed, I might remind them that they are beholden to a stupid superstition.

Remember, the eye is much of the time only as good as the eyes on the floor, and a good many of the supervisors got their position because everyone could no longer stand to watch them deal.

Most dealers are not out to get you, and if you find one who enjoys taking your money, move to a different table. Again, if you are a counter, it would behoove you to toke a little.

 

[rocky]

Re: dealers....

Amen to that last sentiment...most dealers view card counters as no big deal...any pit people with SOME smarts also realize card counters are no big threat unless it's outrageous money movement(barred play or bet restriction will take care of that). I once tracked a player on a single deck game from "upstairs" and this guy was frigging perfect on basic strategy and money movement with the count but he still ended up $3,000 down...still an element of luck. This topic was about COMPENSATION for services performed on behalf of you the player...maybe I was in LV for too long...I toke my Al Phillips attendent on pickup and always drop a $ for EVERY cup of coffee/soda/bottled water. I'm not debating the merits vs. card counters or even about shithead dealers(of which the town is full of)...I'm just trying to remind you all that people need to make a living...that's all folks!!!!

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Cellini

has a different view re the eye in the sky, because he is/was one, just as you are a dealer, and I enjoy learning from you, how you feel about these things. The Mayor is giving you the worse case scenario based on the math of simply counting. You flip me a hole card, "miss" something I have done, or even give me a tell and we are then working with an edge only found offline nowadays. We both do not want the real game to become extinct. When that happens, the walls of the temple have been breached, and with a wimper, not a bang, all the lights go out. All of these BJ boards will become as exciting as fossil collecting.

 

[rocky]

Re: Cellini

rob...my respects to Cellini and all the great info he posts but in my time "upstairs" unless we had been forwarned there's NO WAY the eye is going to pick up on all the subtle "tells" a dealer can give off. Unles Mr. C is has a frigging crystal ball then he's blowing smoke and pounding sand. I've had the unique experience of busting five dealers in my career for cheating and after testifying...having them do jail time. Now, if a dealer sends a little wince, wide eyed look or a squint of disapproval...how is anyone to know? If the "george" is on third base and the dealer does a side load of the hole card...how does anyone except the floor pick up on that? In another post I mentioned how some BJ dealers could be true artist...hey UNR proved years ago that a chimp could deal BJ outta shoes...but a DD where it's hand shuffled and the dealer can cut three-quarters deep? Get the dealer on your side and you'll have improved your chances of winning by 15-20%. Yeah, I know BJ is a game of mathemmatics but it's dealt by people to people.

 

[Rob McGarvey]

Re: Cellini

I agree with you. The trick to it is not to get too greedy, and once again, don't stay for more than an hour or so. The better the % the more cover, the less time it takes to make it worth your while.