Have you ever noticed ploppies respect big bets?

[21forme]

The other day, I sat down at a Sp21 table, and 2 bros. are next to me. I hit a 12 v 4 (Sp21 BS) and get grief from them.
"Why did you hit that?"
"Because this isn't blackjack"
"Well, don't do it again. You mess up the flow."

Later in the shoe, count is up and I have now am playing 2 hands and have some black chips out. I have a 12 on both hands and dealer again has a 4. I say to these guys, "You're not going to like this, but I'm going to hit both hands."
This time one responds, "Hey, when you have money like that out, do whatever you want..."

 

[matt21]

I agree totally

As I have been upping my bet spreads, and now often am betting two-three hands of $100-$200, no one gives me any grief. I have even noticed that often people don't sit down to play with me (which is great!) - they either watch or play behind me.

In this situation, money certainly earns respect :laugh:

 

[callipygian]

The first year I played blackjack, my friends and I were flat-betting $5 and doing pretty well with basic strategy - certainly we knew enough to correct each others' mistakes and know when the dealer was giving bad advice.

This guy sits down with his woman, and is greeted by name by the pit boss. She changes $20 in red and flat bets $5 (like the rest of us); meanwhile, he signs a form and gets a stack of chips delivered to him - a color that we hadn't even seen before (purple).

She was a decent player (edit: afterwards, we decided in all probability she was a hooker so she was probably used to accompanying men to the tables), but he was absolutely horrible.

(1) He only played a hand when the dealer busted on the previous hand.
(2) He never hit a single stiff.
(3) He stood on soft 16 vs. dealer 10.
(4) He never doubled or split.

But not a single one of us ever dared ask him what the hell he was doing. We just gawked in amusement, trying to figure how much he was betting (table limits were $5-$1000, so we figured purples were either $500 or $1000, but then again, we didn't really know if limits applied to people who knew the pit bosses).

So yeah, ploppies respect big bets. :grin:

 

[Thunder]

It's intimidation. I've had people leave the table when I've had big bets out just because it makes them feel really uncomfortable seeing so much money being exchanged right before their eyes. That said, it pisses me off when I see people betting big chunks of change who have no clue how to play. It almost makes me want to say sir can you just give me that money because I could probably put it to better use than the casinos would.

 

[callipygian]

It almost makes me want to say sir can you just give me that money because I could probably put it to better use than the casinos would.

I once got a $25 tip for advising someone to double soft 18 vs. a dealer 6. He had his whole stack, probably $70-$80 (which was a lot in my eyes at the time and it was a $3 table), on the table and looked confused. The dealer told him to stand; I said, "I don't know about that, basic strategy is to double down."

He pulled out his wallet and doubled down, pulled a 3, and then dealer revealed a 4 and drew 10 for a 20.

The guy cashed out, flipped me his leftover green chip and said, "I'd rather you have this than the casino, thanks for the tip."

That was an 8 unit play for me! :laugh:

 

[Thunder]

I wish that would happen more often to me!! In the same scenario, they always seem to give the dealer the tip!! But on the other hand, how would you feel if he had lost when he would have won just standing.

 

[callipygian]

how would you feel if he had lost when he would have won just standing.

In general, nothing. If something is the mathematically correct play, I have no problems accepting the loss.

If he complained about it, I probably would have showed him the BS card I used to keep on me.

 

[ihate17]

Some do and some don't

So many times I will be playing either heads up or perhaps one player at the table and here is what happens:
A good count and I have some big bets out. I win several hands and a guy watching will come and sit down. Since it is generally near the end of the shoe I will ask him to wait a few hands (the mythical Flow or run thing) and sometimes you get a guy who says no.
So now I have a $500 bet on a table and in comes a guy with 4 red chips and 5 wrinkeled one dollar bills in order to meet the table minimum. At this point I just want to get all the cards I can get and piss off everyone, so I spread to 4 hands of $200 or $250 each, which often requires someone to move over a seat or two, much to my delight.

The guys who watch your table, see you win and have a big stack of chips and want to get in on the winning do not give a s*&t at all!

ihate17

 

[Blue Efficacy]

When a big betting ploppy comes to my table, if they are irritating, I will intentionally ruin the flow of the cards to chase them off (provided the count isn't negative of course)

A minimum bet splitting 10's, hitting 12 vs dealer bust card (especially a 6 :grin: ) work wonders. When I make a play that allows me to win but the ploppy to lose where the "normal" play would have resulted in the dealer busting, it makes me feel like I hit the jackpot.

I love splitting 10's. I do it for shits and giggles all the time when I have 3 or 5 dollars out there. As an added bonus, the pit critters will know I am prone to splitting 10's on a whim, so i can use i18 unmolested.

 

[Thunder]

I know exactly how you feel Ihate17. After asking them to wait until the end of the shoe, they'll sometimes ask why? and then insist that it doesn't make any difference. You then are faced with the situation of trying to explain to them why it does without explaining that you're card counting

It's almost like how the casino will go out of their way to not tell you why they have no mid shoe entry. They think that by telling you the real reason, you'll suddenly become a counter.

 

[EasyRhino]

Fairly recently an old dude at the table was jumping between $25 and $1000 bets, with no rhyme or reason, and playing pretty poorly anyway.

It was tremendously entertaining to watch. I felt disappointed when I had to leave in a negative count!

 

[blackchipjim]

big bet respect?

I must go to the casino moron because I don't see ploppies caring about anything. I have seen these idiots jump in on shoes without reason or thought about the people at the table. The count wasn't a wong in or wong out yet and doofus jumps in with yuk,yuk,yuk lets see what I can do. Some people had sizable bets out and he plays like the dork he is. Respect at the table, for the players at the table is rare anymore. blackchipjim

 

[ihate17]

Funny thing is it is a love/hate relationship

I must go to the casino moron because I don't see ploppies caring about anything. I have seen these idiots jump in on shoes without reason or thought about the people at the table. The count wasn't a wong in or wong out yet and doofus jumps in with yuk,yuk,yuk lets see what I can do. Some people had sizable bets out and he plays like the dork he is. Respect at the table, for the players at the table is rare anymore. blackchipjim

Give me a negative count and I am not wonging out and I love those extra ploppies that just jump into the game.
Give me a positive count and I hate those extra ploppies that just jump into the game.
Guess I am just fickel.

ihate17

 

[Romes]

I once got a $25 tip for advising someone to double soft 18 vs. a dealer 6. He had his whole stack, probably $70-$80 (which was a lot in my eyes at the time and it was a $3 table), on the table and looked confused. The dealer told him to stand; I said, "I don't know about that, basic strategy is to double down."

He pulled out his wallet and doubled down, pulled a 3, and then dealer revealed a 4 and drew 10 for a 20.

The guy cashed out, flipped me his leftover green chip and said, "I'd rather you have this than the casino, thanks for the tip."

That was an 8 unit play for me! :laugh:

First I'll say that you are a good guy for helping another player out. I would have done the same, and told the guy to double.

I still hope you realize that you didn't affect the outcome (you're lucky the other guy thought you did). Because if the dealer had 6-4, and the other guy stayed on soft 18, the dealer would have drawn a 3, to 13, then a 10, to bust at 23. Thus all would have won...

Just worked out well that he decided to give you $25 for a particular situation that didn't matter =)

 

[GeorgeD]

First I'll say that you are a good guy for helping another player out. I would have done the same, and told the guy to double.

I still hope you realize that you didn't affect the outcome (you're lucky the other guy thought you did). Because if the dealer had 6-4, and the other guy stayed on soft 18, the dealer would have drawn a 3, to 13, then a 10, to bust at 23. Thus all would have won...

Just worked out well that he decided to give you $25 for a particular situation that didn't matter =)

That's why if anyone asks me for advice I say: "I'd double that, but it's your money and your call". Never got a tip, but never had anyone PO'd either.

 

[RC1]

First I'll say that you are a good guy for helping another player out. I would have done the same, and told the guy to double.

I still hope you realize that you didn't affect the outcome (you're lucky the other guy thought you did). Because if the dealer had 6-4, and the other guy stayed on soft 18, the dealer would have drawn a 3, to 13, then a 10, to bust at 23. Thus all would have won...

Just worked out well that he decided to give you $25 for a particular situation that didn't matter =)

That is an incorrect analysis of the situation.

The guy doubled down and won twice his original bet, hence the tip!

What amazes me is how these ploppies know that the count just turned positive after half an hour of grinding/losing/negative counts and decide to pull up a chair and spread two boxes of the table minimum at that exact moment. It makes me want to scream at them! Sometimes I do swear at them! It's so annoying.

 

[FLASH1296]

Greed vs. Altruism

In that situation, (recognizing that he had a distinctly advantageous hand),
I would have quickly offered to buy his hand from him
(for a bit more than he had bet) - guaranteeing him a small profit.

Failing that, I would have then offered to take half of the double-down action,
by suggesting that we "go partners" on the hand.

I do these things often at low stakes tables where there are anxious newbies.