Help And Advice Please

[elevendouble]

Hey guys I need some practical advice.

I can only afford to play at $10 tables so my problem is that they are always crowded.

The other issue is that crap players take up and eat up so many cards that the card count gets shot to pieces and I end up losing big at the worse times.

When I am alone on a table the money "pours" in.

I just dont understand how and why there are so many many poor players.

Some people have never even understood BJ strategy. I can excuse young players, for being foolish, stupid and immature. But come on, please solve some of these mysteries for me.

Please help.

Born and bred Aussie.

 

[Sonny]

I can only afford to play at $10 tables so my problem is that they are always crowded.

Unless you can go during off-peak hours like weekdays and early mornings there isn’t much you can do about it. If the casino isn’t too crowded then you can table hop for a while. If you’re desperate then you could try to get rid of players by acting like a jerk, making a few crazy plays like splitting tens, don’t shower for a few days or something like that. Those are just about your only options.

On the other hand, if you’re stuck at a crowded table then you might get more chances to scavenger other people’s hands, especially if they are bad players. You can often pick up a split or double down opportunity on someone else’s hand that will earn you a few extra dollars. Also, taking insurance on other people’s hands can often pay off if you don’t get too much heat for it. If the casino allows it you could even back bet other people’s hands to get a little extra advantage.

I just dont understand how and why there are so many many poor players.

Because most people just don’t care. They go to the casino to have a good time and they expect to lose money. They aren’t willing to spend the time to learn how to play intelligently because the money doesn’t matter to them. They just want to relax and have fun.

-Sonny-

 

[toastblows]

You need to get off $10 tables unfortunately. There are few people that understand games with "history" are the only games you can control. You arent going to see many people at the $10 trying to make their $200 roll into a paycheck. :laugh:

Sock up a bigger roll and head to the larger limits. Thats how i get around playing with the cattle. if you win 5 hands an hour more than you lose at $10..you get $50, lame. the same at a $100 makes it worth your while Just need that roll to sustain the lows.

 

[elevendouble]

Thanks Sonny

I just needed someone intelligent in BJ to tell me this.

One thing is for sure though, some people come and play for money and still dont do any homework. Then you see the strain on their face when they lose.

I never offer advice.

ex. If you tell them to sit on 12 against a 6 and the next card was 9, they think you cost them big time. I do not have the energy to explain to them the theory of in the long run they will come out on top !

 

[elevendouble]

Thank you

You need to get off $10 tables unfortunately. There are few people that understand games with "history" are the only games you can control. You arent going to see many people at the $10 trying to make their $200 roll into a paycheck. :laugh:

Sock up a bigger roll and head to the larger limits. Thats how i get around playing with the cattle. if you win 5 hands an hour more than you lose at $10..you get $50, lame. the same at a $100 makes it worth your while Just need that roll to sustain the lows.

Could you please advise on how much money I need to play on a $25 table with two hands.

Usually I walk in with $1000 and play two boxes on a $10 table.

 

[shadroch]

You need to play the graveyard shifts,around 3AM-6AM,mid-week.

 

[toastblows]

Well i think you are decently funded to play a 2D $25 game (1 hand...2 hand never played).

I usually have $1000-1200 on me in cash if im heading to my favorite $25 2D pitch game. Some people prefer to carry 100x their min bet, or 200x min bet. If I'm in vegas for 4 days then yes, 1 night out no. I like to cut a loss at $1k if im at $25 stakes...figuring thats 40 hands lost more than won.

Of course i have another $1000-1500 on plastic just incase :laugh:

P.S.
If you entire roll is $1000, then you are still light...remember that movie rounders...always leave yourself an out (aka dont drop your wad in one place on a cold shoe). My roll is several thousand funded but i dont plunk it ALL down in a night ever.

 

[elevendouble]

ToastBlows

Thanks for the advice, your a wealth of knowledge.

Very much appreciated from down under in Australia.

Note here 8 decks is the norm, and as far as I know we dont have anyting else.

Note in Canberra they have CSM, ie they reshuffle a 6 deck every few hands at most, can you believe that, what a joke esp to the fools who play it. I have gone in there just to practice counting cards.

Loved Rounders, even though it was a Poker movie it had a lot of similarities with BJ.

 

[ihate17]

8 decker, $25

Could you please advise on how much money I need to play on a $25 table with two hands.

Usually I walk in with $1000 and play two boxes on a $10 table.

I am guessing that you basically flat bet. If you are not flat betting and counting and spreading, then think about this. An 8 decker needs something akin to a 16-1 spread to make a decent amount of money and that means $400 on the table, with one hand, at max count. I would not touch that game without over 5,000 on me for just a one day trip and over 10,000 for two or more days.

Now if you are flat betting you will not make money without extreme wonging in but your question is if $1,000 will work for 2 hands of $25 each. Very often you will find it will work but also there will be times where you land up splitting and doubling on the same hand and might have $150 on the table. Lose a few of these and your $1,000 can be gone in a short period of time. I would carry double that as a one day trip roll. Now if this is your total bankroll, then even the 10 tables are too expensive.

Those bad player who eat the cards.
Those guys work both ways. There will be times in negative counts that they take tons of extra hits and get you through the bad shoe quicker. There are also times where the bad player will hit less in a positive count, prolonging your positive expectation. Remember these bad players are extremely important to the quality of blackjack games. Without bad players casinos could not afford to offer any decent blackjack games where we can make money.

Finally, the best advice about how to avoid crowds was given to you. Play at hours where the casino is least busy.

ihate17

 

[toastblows]

i guess i missed that you only have access to 8 Decks..then i agree with Ihate17....$1000 is not enough to play $25 without wonging. Of course i never play 8 deck so... :cool2:

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

I just dont understand how and why there are so many many poor players.

Some people have never even understood BJ strategy. I can excuse young players, for being foolish, stupid and immature. But come on, please solve some of these mysteries for me.
Born and bred Aussie.

a players skill has nothing to do with your chances of winning, and like the dude said above, they will also eat up negative counts too

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Because most people just don’t care. They go to the casino to have a good time and they expect to lose money. They aren’t willing to spend the time to learn how to play intelligently because the money doesn’t matter to them. They just want to relax and have fun.

-Sonny-

i actually find that is the logic of a BS player.. the logic of a ploppy is that he is going to the casino to win money, and screw fun, hes there to make money! when i played bs, i always said "its entertainment, blah blah" and they laughed at me and said "if your not here to win money, then wtf, this is serious, its not for fun" and they were all ploppies

 

[SilentBob420BMFJ]

Note in Canberra they have CSM, ie they reshuffle a 6 deck every few hands at most, can you believe that, what a joke esp to the fools who play it.

actually, CSMs reduce the house edge, but the hands per hour is increased, thus you lose more money, and of course card counting wont work, but if you hate the shuffle break, then a csm is actually better than an asm

 

[Kaiser]

a players skill has nothing to do with your chances of winning, and like the dude said above, they will also eat up negative counts too

I played with this bastard on the weekend who kept splitting 10's. He did it a couple of times with only a mildly positive count, and I know he wasn't counting, but he seemed to *always* catch another 10 or an ace. The sonofabitch was eating my good cards.

I planned on using him for cover if I ever wanted to split 10's, since he did it every single time he got them, but the count never got high enough for me to do it. :flame:

 

[ihate17]

It is what makes a real ploppy a real ploppy

i actually find that is the logic of a BS player.. the logic of a ploppy is that he is going to the casino to win money, and screw fun, hes there to make money! when i played bs, i always said "its entertainment, blah blah" and they laughed at me and said "if your not here to win money, then wtf, this is serious, its not for fun" and they were all ploppies

You make a good point here. If you look at a place like Vegas, sure you have a bunch of tourists just having a good time, but much of today's blackjack is not played in places like Vegas but in places like Indian casinos.
I find that the Indian casinos will have a more hardcore, addicted to gambling type customer than casinos in tourist destinations. Let's face it, it is not Vegas. Sure there are people there who have no idea of what they are doing and just having fun but their numbers are far fewer.
What you do have a ton of are the players who firmly believe, even after years of losing, that they know much more than anyone who ever ran a computer program or wrote a book. They learned how to play on the tables watching how other bad players played and firmly believe the poor strategy and superstitions they have learned. They will get lucky sometimes but no matter how broke they go, very few will ever put in the effort to play the game correctly. He also firmly believes he knows best and will win and he only loses because someone else at the table did something to harm his chances.

ihate17

 

[ChefJJ]

I played with this bastard on the weekend who kept splitting 10's. He did it a couple of times with only a mildly positive count, and I know he wasn't counting, but he seemed to *always* catch another 10 or an ace. The sonofabitch was eating my good cards.

My buddy will split 10s from time to time (usually when drunk) and doesn't know a thing about counting. He says that he really doesn't give a f**k and its his money, so he'll do what he wants. Can't say I blame him, and it often takes some eyes away from me when I'm counting. :joker: