Help me with these terms
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Sonny
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Wonging - Counting cards from behind the table without playing. When the odds turn in your favor you “Wong in” and start playing, then “Wong out” when the house regains the edge. It is a way to ensure that you never play at a disadvantage.
Illustrious 18 index - The 18 most profitable basic strategy departures. Often times card counters will deviate from basic strategy based on what cards have been dealt. One example is playing 16 vs. 10. If the player knows that there are a lot of high cards left in the deck they will stand because their chances of busting are higher than normal. Similarly, if there are mostly small cards left they will hit.
hand interaction - I’m actually not familiar with this term. Maybe it has something to do with covariance? Anyone?
shuffle tracking - This is a method of following certain groups of cards through the shuffle. This works best in shoe games where the dealers may use very simple shuffles in order to save time. An observant player may be able to see (or calculate) where certain cards end up after they are shuffled. They will then know where to cut the shoe and where the "good" and "bad" cards are.
cut card placement - This involved placing the cut card in a spot that will let you steer a certain card (or group of cards) to a certain position. You may be cutting an ace to yourself or steering a ten to bust the dealer.
Sequencing - This is another method of following certain cards through the shuffle. Typically you will have a certain “target” card (usually an ace) and you will memorize what cards are near it in the discard tray. After the shuffle you will look for those “key” cards. When you see them you will then know that the “target” card is about to come out.
-Sonny-
Illustrious 18 index - The 18 most profitable basic strategy departures. Often times card counters will deviate from basic strategy based on what cards have been dealt. One example is playing 16 vs. 10. If the player knows that there are a lot of high cards left in the deck they will stand because their chances of busting are higher than normal. Similarly, if there are mostly small cards left they will hit.
hand interaction - I’m actually not familiar with this term. Maybe it has something to do with covariance? Anyone?
shuffle tracking - This is a method of following certain groups of cards through the shuffle. This works best in shoe games where the dealers may use very simple shuffles in order to save time. An observant player may be able to see (or calculate) where certain cards end up after they are shuffled. They will then know where to cut the shoe and where the "good" and "bad" cards are.
cut card placement - This involved placing the cut card in a spot that will let you steer a certain card (or group of cards) to a certain position. You may be cutting an ace to yourself or steering a ten to bust the dealer.
Sequencing - This is another method of following certain cards through the shuffle. Typically you will have a certain “target” card (usually an ace) and you will memorize what cards are near it in the discard tray. After the shuffle you will look for those “key” cards. When you see them you will then know that the “target” card is about to come out.
-Sonny-
Cut card placement:
Cutting where you know there is an ace or 10 or a slug of aces or 10s to your advantage.
Read about Hand Interaction:
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/hand-interaction-the-neglected-side-of-blackjack-strategy-6043
The rest you can find here:
http://www.dictionaryofgambling.com/gambling_terms/blackjack/
Good luck, bud.
Cutting where you know there is an ace or 10 or a slug of aces or 10s to your advantage.
Read about Hand Interaction:
http://renzey.casinocitytimes.com/article/hand-interaction-the-neglected-side-of-blackjack-strategy-6043
The rest you can find here:
http://www.dictionaryofgambling.com/gambling_terms/blackjack/
Good luck, bud.
Hand Interaaction is awesome.
How many times do you see people not understanding basic stategy. Most splits are loosing ones, even more so if you let someone else take your split. the second split card, by playing bs, also returns positive EV. I even by tens of drunk players.
How many times do you see people not understanding basic stategy. Most splits are loosing ones, even more so if you let someone else take your split. the second split card, by playing bs, also returns positive EV. I even by tens of drunk players.
Dyepaintball12
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That site said it can give you a 6% edge.
I am going to go out on a limb and say, it probably does not.
I am going to go out on a limb and say, it probably does not.
Last night I bought a guys hand. He had $120 out with Bj and was going to take even money. I bought his hand for $241 (even money +$1) and didn't take even money. It was at -2 TC. The dealer did not have it, and I got $300 for it.
Some would ask, why risk $121 for a $59 dollar win? Because there was less than %30 chance that the dealer had BJ. And 59 is almost 33% of $180, giving me 3% on the house.
Some would ask, why risk $121 for a $59 dollar win? Because there was less than %30 chance that the dealer had BJ. And 59 is almost 33% of $180, giving me 3% on the house.
Sonny
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James Grosjean calls it Scavenger Blackjack. It is a very effective technique but it can be tough to get away with in a casino, unless you're ZG!dacium said:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=847
-Sonny-
Sonny
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You might be buying their hand, helping them split or double, taking insurance for them, or even buying their surrender. Here is Grosjean's article about it:BBjoe said:
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/scavengerbjfo.pdf
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EasyRhino
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I'm guessing the verb "wong" is attributed to Stanford Wong? Did he invent the concept?
Also, what about "ploppie" (or "ploppy"?). I get from context that it's just your average gambling doofus who plays with little concept of strategy, and is often generous with bad advice. And it's wonderfully descriptive-sounding, but where the heck does it come from?
Also, what about "ploppie" (or "ploppy"?). I get from context that it's just your average gambling doofus who plays with little concept of strategy, and is often generous with bad advice. And it's wonderfully descriptive-sounding, but where the heck does it come from?
sagefr0g
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don't know if Wong invented the methodology but you are correct in that the term is attributed to his advice about using said methodology.EasyRhino said:
as far as ploppie again your correct. the origin i'm not sure. here is my guess.
its where its like hippie, yippie, yuppie sort of terms. but the descriptiveness of it is as you say wonderful. think dude or dudette comming along up to blackjack table. plops down on stool. plops down bet. loses or wins money totaly dependent upon the cards that the dealer plops out. thought process's or strategy totally irrelevant.:laugh:
best regards,
mr fr0g
Mikeaber
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EasyRhino,
I personally do not like the term "Ploppie" simply because it tends to carry a less than complimentary connotation. It's a bit more derogatory than you speculated and that SageFrog indicated. I've seen it used more often by Advantage Players to describe ANYONE who is not playing at an advantage. That is, anyone who is not a card-counter is a "ploppie" no matter how perfectly they follow Basic Strategy.
I personally do not like the term "Ploppie" simply because it tends to carry a less than complimentary connotation. It's a bit more derogatory than you speculated and that SageFrog indicated. I've seen it used more often by Advantage Players to describe ANYONE who is not playing at an advantage. That is, anyone who is not a card-counter is a "ploppie" no matter how perfectly they follow Basic Strategy.