Help with betting!
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At least learn all the necessary questions you need to askk4ir0s said:With a 1000$ bankroll, using hi-lo.
What should my bet spread look like?
What should be my betting unit?
What should my max bet be and when should i lay it down?
I'd appreciate any help I can get, im still a bit new to this.
Like what game you are playing, dealt to how much, with what rules, with what minimum bet and how comfortable you are with the liklihood of losing all your bankroll betting that way.
If it's an AC shoe game with a $5 min, probably just don't play.
EasyRhino
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If you wanted to have a nice profit margin on an 8d game (in a play all situation... 8d is miserable for play all), you'd want something like a 20x spread.
To keep the risk of ruin low on a fixed bankroll, you'd want your max bet to be only 1% of your total bankroll.
So a min bet of .50 to a max of $10 would be the way to go. Good luck funding that.
Instead, you'd be better off wonging heavily, trying to never play a negative count, and having a bet of around, say, $25.
If you're really trying to build a bankroll from that $1000, the risk is high and the profit are low, I'd recommend two options instead:
1) a job
2) online bonus hustling (you can do some damage with a grand if you're patient)
To keep the risk of ruin low on a fixed bankroll, you'd want your max bet to be only 1% of your total bankroll.
So a min bet of .50 to a max of $10 would be the way to go. Good luck funding that.
Instead, you'd be better off wonging heavily, trying to never play a negative count, and having a bet of around, say, $25.
If you're really trying to build a bankroll from that $1000, the risk is high and the profit are low, I'd recommend two options instead:
1) a job
2) online bonus hustling (you can do some damage with a grand if you're patient)
blackwater1776
Member
A good resource is Snyder's "Blackbelt in Blackjack". It's got a pretty good chapter in there on nothing but bankroll and bet spread. Also, he goes over in some of the standard count systems that have the spread and stuff built into them. It's a good book for beginners and for that matter anyone else interested in the game.
Good luck.
http://www.amazon.com/Blackbelt-Blackjack-Playing-Martial-Art/dp/0910575053
Good luck.
http://www.amazon.com/Blackbelt-Blackjack-Playing-Martial-Art/dp/0910575053
EasyRhino said:
I always here you say 8D are so bad, and no one should be playing them. Isn't the house edge for 8D only about 0.1% more than a 6D.
Like AutomaticMonkey said here http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6508&highlight=1000
"6D is only marginally better than 8D. True, it takes longer to get to a good count, but the good count lasts longer. You really want to be Wonging out of any shoe game, and backcounting when practical."
Anyways, I see alot of people starting with a BR just as small as mine. Wasnt 1200 your gambling BR "I've only had about $1200 (replenishible) dedicated solely to gambling".
A 'good count' is useless, unless that's where you START. (Wong in). The FAVORABLE cards are in the deck at a 'ggod count', sure. But if they don't come out (i.e. the count starts to drop) what darn difference does it make? You're STILL going to be making bets HOPING that they are coming out. And the longer the count 'stays good', the longer you're laying out big bets HOPING that you'll get those good cards for the count to drop. (And the dealer keeps getting 5 card 20's!)k4ir0s said:
PLEASE take their advice. They're not kidding, and these two have the experience to show for it. Wong in when possible, wong out when necessary. As for me, as soon as I can, I'm going to DD and NOT look back!
My apologies for coming across so grumpily. But, well...today I'm grumpy. I've been fighting the 'play all/wong in/out/bet spread game a lot lately, and it's getting depressing! ( I keep finding myself on the LOW side of EV, especially at + counts. Now I see why people go from play all to wong to shuffle. I'm thinking it's time to seriously head that way, myself!k4ir0s said:
Good luck, and again my apologies.
sagefr0g
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heh, heh i'm with you on the fighting the 'play all/wong in/out/bet spread game' . it can be a really miserly experiance in relatively small joints that are crowded and feature six and eight deck games. so often virtually no decent counts present.eps6724 said:My apologies for coming across so grumpily. But, well...today I'm grumpy. I've been fighting the 'play all/wong in/out/bet spread game a lot lately, and it's getting depressing! ( I keep finding myself on the LOW side of EV, especially at + counts. Now I see why people go from play all to wong to shuffle. I'm thinking it's time to seriously head that way, myself!
Good luck, and again my apologies.
that said and barring those times when no decent counts present i believe the solution lay with in the degree to which one ramps ones bets. point being one may need to be a bit more aggressive than one's inclination may generally reside. unfortunately that can lead to some heavy duty volatility but i guess the point is to find a happy medium between volatility and overly conservative betting.
EasyRhino
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Partly it's personal preference. I find 8D shoes to be emotionally wretched. They're just too damn slow. And from staringk4ir0s said:
In terms of starting from a small bankroll, it's not impossible, it's just hard. In my case, my initial "bankroll" was only $500, and I was able to get it to over $3000 with card counting before injecting funds from bonus-whoring. But then I did the math, and realized I got crazy lucky. The good news is that losing $500 wouldn't have been a big deal. I probably would have been able to do it one or two more times before I gave up on counting completely.
EasyRhino
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Backcount. Never play a negative hand. Wong in at a high count (+3, +4). Wong out at true count of +0. Do something simple like $50 at TC +4, $35 at TC +3, $25 TC +2, and table minimum at TC +1. No sims or any fancy math for that... you're practically flat-betting.
Then just put on your safety belt and hope for the best!
Then just put on your safety belt and hope for the best!