Hi casino-money takers! Few questions...

B

Barracuda

Member
Hi!

Well, this is the situation.
I play blackjack at local casino, these are the rules:

-dealer stands on S17
-insurance pays 2:1
-no surrender
-three 7s pays 2:1
-6 cards under 21 pays 2:1
-when player gets blackjack with king and the ace in the same color, he gets 200 units bonus
-6 decks
-about 1 1/2 deck penetration
-no hole card
-spreads are 1-20
-you can resplit 4 times
-same value cards splitting allowed
-double after split allowed
-I play 20 units min table

I started to play for fun, but i was counting with standard Hi/Lo strategy (2,3,4,5,6 +1, T,A -1, 7,8,9 neutral, no ace side count) with 1-4 spread and I was successful, about 2500 units good with only 200 units starting bank in about 20 hours of playing, when I have raised my spread and inital bet to 40 units (from 20), I lost almost everything LOL:laugh: :rolleyes:
OK, I've learned that I have to be more self-disciplined...

My question here is, which strategy should I learn? Hi Opt I with ace side count? Here at my place, almost in every casino the rules are similar.. What is the edge, are the rules at my side? I believe they are.. I don't have any bankroll, and hardly could collect some in short period of time, but in about 6 months I could build up something like 10 000 units (but not from blackjack, of course).. What are the odds to double it up? I would really like to become a pro blackjack player, but the problem is my bankroll.. It would be a problem to loose 10 000 units, but that is the risk I'm willing to take to double it down, or at least to take out 15 000, and then offcourse continue playing.

Sorry for big post, and thanks in advance for your answers!

Barracuda:grin:
 
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Sonny

Sonny

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Forget about Hi-Opt I, or any other count that requires an ace side count. They are too tricky for shoe games. They are more prone to mistakes and they will slow you down. Also, it is much more difficult to use an ace-neutral count with certain advanced techniques. Start out with HiLo and see where it takes you.

-Sonny-
 
B

Barracuda

Member
Sonny said:
Forget about Hi-Opt I, or any other count that requires an ace side count. They are too tricky for shoe games. They are more prone to mistakes and they will slow you down. Also, it is much more difficult to use an ace-neutral count with certain advanced techniques. Start out with HiLo and see where it takes you.

-Sonny-
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Oh, I get it ;)
 
jack.jackson

jack.jackson

Well-Known Member
Barracuda said:
Hi!

Well, this is the situation.
I play blackjack at local casino, these are the rules:

-dealer stands on S17
-insurance pays 2:1
-no surrender
-three 7s pays 2:1
-6 cards under 21 pays 2:1
-when player gets blackjack with king and the ace in the same color, he gets 200 units bonus
-6 decks
-about 1 1/2 deck penetration
-no hole card
-spreads are 1-20
-you can resplit 4 times
-same value cards splitting allowed
-double after split allowed
-I play 20 units min table

I started to play for fun, but i was counting with standard Hi/Lo strategy (2,3,4,5,6 +1, T,A -1, 7,8,9 neutral, no ace side count) with 1-4 spread and I was successful, about 2500 units good with only 200 units starting bank in about 20 hours of playing, when I have raised my spread and inital bet to 40 units (from 20), I lost almost everything LOL:laugh: :rolleyes:
OK, I've learned that I have to be more self-disciplined...

My question here is, which strategy should I learn? Hi Opt I with ace side count? Here at my place, almost in every casino the rules are similar.. What is the edge, are the rules at my side? I believe they are.. I don't have any bankroll, and hardly could collect some in short period of time, but in about 6 months I could build up something like 10 000 units (but not from blackjack, of course).. What are the odds to double it up? I would really like to become a pro blackjack player, but the problem is my bankroll.. It would be a problem to loose 10 000 units, but that is the risk I'm willing to take to double it down, or at least to take out 15 000, and then offcourse continue playing.

Sorry for big post, and thanks in advance for your answers!

Barracuda:grin:
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I Dont see your system being the problem here. I hope you realize when you refer to "Self-Discipline your talking about Betting in Proportion to your Bankroll. Sounds like you Parlayed way to early. Clearly, Dollar signs were clouding your vision. But "Hey" you went for it and lost it. Nice try! Most stories like this you dont hear about.

Im just curious? What was your Base unit again? Also did you say you parlayed 200 units into 2500@20$per unit in about 20hrs. It almost sound like your Definition of units is Inaccurate.(Please Clarify)
 
EasyRhino

EasyRhino

Well-Known Member
It sounds like an okay game, I would guess the bonuses would almost compensate for the no-hole-card.

However, describe the bonus when you get AK blackjack? 200 units of what?

Actually, just to make things more clear, it might might sense to just define your minimum bet, maximum bet, and the bonus size in dollars, euros, lira, whatever.
 
B

Barracuda

Member
OK, minimum bet is 20 units (you probably never heard of currency, so we'll just call them "units":grin: ) or app. 3€ and maximum 400 units (~60€)
at another table is 50U, max 1000U, and another if I remember correctly is about 200U (30€), max 4000 (600€)

a play at the lowest stakes table, 20 units min, 400 max

2 jack,jackson: -yes, everything I could see then is $$$, so I "gone wild" :laugh:
OK, but I've learned the lesson
I started playing with 200 units, I've learned the basic strategy for that game before I started to play.. The first night (about 10 hours of playing) I won something like 1100 units (I was "lucky", got 3 times King and Ace, color-matched), and second night something more than that... I thought, DAAAMN, I'll rip them off.. Then happened what happened:laugh: :laugh: :p

But as I already said, I've learned the lesson

2 Easy Rhino: when you get King and Ace in same color (for example, King and Ace of Spades) you get 200 units (it is about 40$)

Sorry for my bad grammar, if something isn't clear, i'll try to clarify ;)
 
B

Barracuda

Member
and few more questions...
how high should my bankroll be for this game if I was betting 20 or 50 units with 1-10 spread?
is it worth playing at all?:grin:
which book would you suggest me to read? I've read Uston's Million Dollar Blackjack, but sort of skipped the most of technical part, because it is generally written for 1deck games...

I was a ploppy, playing roulette and slots, but I figured that this is THE BEST WAY IN THE WORLD to loose your hard earned money :cool:
now I want that money back, and I found out that it IS possible to take that money back.. I really LOVE playing blackjack and I'd really LOVE to be a full time player..
So, I wanna read all the good books, spend few hours every day, don't matter how long will it take to be a great player... I can count a single deck in about 20 seconds, it took me 1 hour at home practicing (didn't help much) and about 20 hours of casino play...
 
C

Cardcounter

Well-Known Member
Did I hear you right?

You get a 200 to one payout for a A,K suited but do all other blackjacks pay even money? Or is it a 2 to 1 bonus for A,K suited? I don't think any casino would offer you 200 to 1 on A,K suited unless it is a sidebet where you can bet on getting A,k suited.
 
B

Barracuda

Member
Cardcounter said:
You get a 200 to one payout for a A,K suited but do all other blackjacks pay even money? Or is it a 2 to 1 bonus for A,K suited? I don't think any casino would offer you 200 to 1 on A,K suited unless it is a sidebet where you can bet on getting A,k suited.
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hmmmm, i suppose my english is the problem here

ok, if you get ace and king suited you get paid 1.5:1 and regardless of your bet 200 units bonus
other blackjacks (not suited) pay you 1.5:1
no sidebet
so it's not 200 to 1, it's just 200 units bonus (or about 40$ bonus if you prefer, independable of your bet)

got it now? :)

if not, i'll try one more time:) :grin:
 
B

Barracuda

Member
so, could someone please tell me if i had a bankroll of 5000, which are the odds of doubling it if i am playing 20 units chips?
i'll try to rephrase it
ok, my question is, which spread should i use if i'm betting minimum of 20 units, bankroll is 5000? let's say i'd like to double my bank or something like that, 50% of profit is just fine too.. how big is the risk of losing the entire bank?
 
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