hi-lo question for all

[takinfromindians97]

I use the kiss III and i started to use the UBZ 2 but I want to switch to the hi-lo, does anyone have any tips? I would like a chart of RC to TC conversions if anyone has it, just so i can get a basic grasp of the conversions. I have never used a balanced count. I am just looking for anything anyone would say i should focus on.
Thanks everyone!

 

[zengrifter]

RC = 8
TC = RC/#decks remain
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Decks Remaining:
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8.00 = 1
6.00 = 1.5
4.00 = 2
3.00 = 3
2.00 = 4
1.75 = 5
1.50 = 6
1.25 = 7
1.00 = 8
0.75 = 12
0.50 = 16

 

[takinfromindians97]

zen

Thank you for that zen. Is there any place i can find a more broad chart? Books or past threads?

 

[takinfromindians97]

It seams like such a hassle to convert to a TC is there any way to make it easier. I really want to use the hi-lo, because im really getting into shuffle tracking and things along those lines, and it is just easier with a balanced count. Any good reads or anything that will help with hi-lo will be greatly appreciated.

 

[callipygian]

It seams like such a hassle to convert to a TC is there any way to make it easier.

No. Learn how to divide integers in your head, it's a general skill.

If you can't divide by non-integers very easily (e.g. 17 divided by 3.5), you can use one of several forms of estimation:

(1) Upper/lower bound. Divide your RC by 3. Divide your RC by 4. Dividing by 3.5 will be between those two numbers. So if you have a RC of +17, dividing by 3 is about 6 (18/3 = 6), dividing by 4 is about 4 (16/4 = 4), so dividing by 3.5 will be about 5 (in actuality it's 4.86).

(2) Multiplication tables. Memorize your 1.5, 2.5, 3.5, 4.5, 5.5, and 6.5 tables. 3.5 x 1 = 3.5, 3.5 x 2 = 7, 3.5 x 3 = 10.5, 3.5 x 4 = 14, 3.5 x 5 = 17.5, so 17/3.5 will be just less than 5.

(3) Integer-izing. Multiply both your top and bottom by n to get integers, where n is the fraction of a deck that you estimate to (so for half-deck estimation n = 2, quarter-deck estimation n = 4). 17/3.5 = (17*2)/(3.5*2) = 34/7 = 4 6/7.

 

[takinfromindians97]

ZEN please help

RC = 8
TC = RC/#decks remain
---------
Decks Remaining:
---------
8.00 = 1
6.00 = 1.5
4.00 = 2
3.00 = 3
2.00 = 4
1.75 = 5
1.50 = 6
1.25 = 7
1.00 = 8
0.75 = 12
0.50 = 16

ZEN help me out here you say here that with 3 decks gone at a running count of 8, the TC is 3. How is this possible? 3 does not go into 8 3 times. Am i missing something?

 

[bjcount]

ZEN help me out here you say here that with 3 decks gone at a running count of 8, the TC is 3. How is this possible? 3 does not go into 8 3 times. Am i missing something?

First realize it's 3 decks remaining in the shoe, not 3d gone (played). If it was 3d gone= 5d remain, the TC=1.6
Unless your adjusting your bets by 1/2 TC's, then 8/3 = 2.66 truncated (round pos.# down & neg. # up)= 3. If you are flooring (rounding down) its 2.

BJC

 

[takinfromindians97]

But that seems like your over estimating way to much. When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side? Better to have the count lower and bet a little less in a higher count, then to overbet in a lower count. Isnt it?

I would think that with 3 decks gone RC 8 that the TC would be 2. I would think that 5 decks gone with a RC or 8 that the TC would be 1. If i am wrong please explain.

 

[bjcount]

But that seems like your over estimating way to much. When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side? Better to have the count lower and bet a little less in a higher count, then to overbet in a lower count. Isnt it?

I would think that with 3 decks gone RC 8 that the TC would be 2. I would think that 5 decks gone with a RC or 8 that the TC would be 1. If i am wrong please explain.

Simply speaking it comes down to one word, Risk.
Round down- less risk, round up - more risk

At TC 2.66 your ideal expectation is to get the 10's or have the dealer busting, so you may reconsider having more money out at this point.

If the TC was 0.66 you may be better rounding down while the common practice would be to treat all the situations the same.

BJC

 

[Sonny]

When you are counting dont you always want to be on the low side?

It depends. If your indices, bet spread and entry/exit points were based on rounded TCs then you are better off using rounded TCs than floored TCs. Either way could be correct and I doubt there would be much difference if you used the “wrong” method.

-Sonny-

 

[jay28]

Thank you for that zen. Is there any place i can find a more broad chart? Books or past threads?

Is this what your looking for?

A RC TC Conversion chart. It only covers 6 decks and the TC is rounded down to the nearest 0.5

 

[takinfromindians97]

that is prob exactly what i am looking for but my comp doesnt support whatever format you are using, so i cant read it.

 

[takinfromindians97]

Sonny

So the just of it is that if i am using the method that I said earlier it shouldnt make much of a difference from thew other methods. Basicly your saying that rounding up is just gambling a little more. I think i will just stick with being on the safe side of the bet and ry it out for a little while. I had one other question, you said that my indices may effect the TC, how so?

 

[zengrifter]

that is prob exactly what i am looking for but my comp doesnt support whatever format you are using, so i cant read it.

Its called Excell. If you don't have MS Office for Excel, download FREE OpenOffice. zg

 

[zengrifter]

Is this what your looking for?

A RC TC Conversion chart. It only covers 6 decks and the TC is rounded down to the nearest 0.5

(My version is easier and proportionately intuitive)

RC = 8
Remain Ds
6=1
5=1.5
4=2
3=2.5
2=4
1=8
.5=16

 

[jay28]

that is prob exactly what i am looking for but my comp doesnt support whatever format you are using, so i cant read it.

No Problems, here it is again as a text document.

 

[takinfromindians97]

I have all of the microsoft office. I dont know why that version would not work on my computer, Zen i also like your method, quick and easy to grab on to. I did get this new version downloaded thanks jay.

Zen i re-sent the pm including my email I may have got your email address wrong. Hope to hear back from you soon.

 

[mdlbj]

TC conversions are easy. This should be the last thing you are worried about. With a bit of practice, you will look back and think yeah, this was the easy part. In your idle time do them in your head.. Write down the ones you have problems with and study them.

 

[takinfromindians97]

Yea your probably right. When I first started with an unbalanced alot was hard that look back and laugh because I do it without even thinking now lol. I just never have used a balanced count so that was my only real concern. Thanks everyone for your input and help. This site is still the best in my book.

 

[Sonny]

Sonny. Basicly your saying that rounding up is just gambling a little more.

It depends. If your bet spread was calculated using rounded TCs then you would be betting exactly right. If your bet spread was calculated using floored TCs and you are using rounded TCs then your TCs will be slightly high in positive counts and slightly low in negative counts. The difference would not be significant though.

I had one other question, you said that my indices may effect the TC, how so?

It’s the other way around. The way you calculate your TCs could affect your indices. It might cause certain index numbers to shift by a point or so. Again, the difference will be insignificant.

Basically my advice is not to worry about it.

-Sonny-