Hi-opt1 vs muliple decks??

[hit -or-stand]

Hello everyone!

I had a question, I was reading "The world's greatest blackjack Book" by Lance Humble and Carl Cooper...something I came across that disturbed me and caused some sort of confusion....As I am a begginer (never counted cards or never learned any system), I know basic strategy, and I was looking to learn a good basic counting to face multi-deck game (6 to be precise), and what I came across was on PG.63 on the third paragraph and I quote " I recommend you stay away from six-deck games because they are extremely difficult to beat. Julian Braun estimated that to get a worthwhile advantage in a six-deck game with any powerful system the casino must deal out at least 4 1/2 of the decks, and your bet range must be at least 1 to 20 units per hand, a real eye-catcher with the pit bosses. The only possible approach to six deck game is to use team play and a very high level professional system like the Hi-Opt 2. When there are so many other places to play, the extra effort is not worth it".

My scenario is such that lets say bit bosses are not a concern at the moment but in terms of a system that can have an advantage over a six deck game. Should I bother learning this system or has any person devised a system specifically to counter the six deck......

Regards

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Beating shoe games

Yes, all of the counting systems will beat a 6 deck game. I use Hi-Opt II with an Ace sidecount; that's a universal system, effective against any BJ game. You can use that, or High-Low, or KO. If all you are ever going to play is 6 deck shoe then KO might be a good bet- the only problem is being it's an unbalanced count you have to adjust all your playing index numbers if you switch to a 4 deck or 8 deck game. WGBJB is a good book and guide to the Hi-Opt counts but kind of outdated; if you can't beat a shoe game these days you have very limited options of games to play.

The single most important skill you need to beat shoe is Wonging- leaving the table when the count is bad, or waiting until the count is good to begin playing. The former is much easier.

 

[Felix Rue-de-Guerre]

WGBJB

Hi Hit,

My first book was also WGBJB. Braun and Cooper are excellent salesmen.

Not to demean their legitimacy, it is a good book. It certainly got me started. My first count was the Einstein count professed for Hi-opt1. But, you need more information.

>>To get a worthwhile advantage in a six-deck game with any powerful system the casino must deal out at least 4 1/2 of the decks, and your bet range must be at least 1 to 20 units per hand.

First, It's really not that hard to find a six-Decker dealt down to 1.5 or 1 deck.

Also, You can beat a 6-deck shoe with a 1-10 spread if you properly Wong negative counts. 1 - 12 you can clean house if you can handle the variance. They don't cover wonging in WGBJB. PG.63 implies a play-all situation. Who in their right mind would 'play-all' in any 6 or 8-decker, unless it was dealt down to the very last card??

Braun did his sims on a something like a slide rule 10,000 years before the birth of Christ. I believe they called it the AS400... This equipment is actually mentioned in the bible.

>> "The only possible approach to six deck game is to use team play and a very high level professional system like the Hi-Opt 2"

Complete Bulls**t!!!!!....

Hi-opt2 used to cost a few bucks. It's worthless now. Don't take this advice.

>>"Should I bother learning this system or has any person devised a system specifically to counter the six deck......"

My advice is to buy "Professional Blackjack" by Stanford Wong and learn the 'Hi-Lo' Count. The benchmark game will be a great reference point for you. 12 or so bucks...

Or, listen to anyone who can point you toward the KO system. I know no specifics of this, though.

-Felix

 

[Felix Rue-de-Guerre]

Poor wording

When I say "It's worthless now" I mean you can now find this information much cheaper. Or, I'm sure without paying for it if you looked. I didn't mean the system is no longer valid.

-Felix

 

[KennilworthKid]

Buy Blackjack Attack and look at Chpt 10

Per simulation work done by D. Schlessinger and published in the above named book, the game you describe can be beaten with a spread of 1-8 using the Hi-Lo and the I18 strategy variances. Spreading bigger wins more.