Just learned this game about a year ago. I have the BJA app on my iphone and have a 6 deck show to practice with too. Have read a few books (Thorp, Wong, Collin etc...) I get into to a local casino and am getting some good experience. Card counting is getting pretty good. One thing I have been noticing is that when the count gets high it sometimes favors the dealer more than the player. I raise my bets accordingly and get my ass kicked. Sometimes I do much better in a negative count. Case in point I put down $20 on a ten dollar table. The count started positive but ended up in the negative. I was winning hands left and right so I though f it let go for it. I turned that $20 into $350 . So now I am a bit confused about this hi-lo system. Can anyone relate?
High count
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What happens to you personally in high or low counts is irrelevant. You will have your share of bad luck in high counts and good luck in low counts; it's the nature of the game.
But you have to stop thinking the way you are. A high count NEVER "favors" the dealer. If you understand what counting is, you would understand that that makes no sense. Suppose we play a coin toss game with a biased coin that lands heads 51% of the time. You get to bet on heads or tails. What is your choice? I surely hope you said heads. Now, if we play and tails comes up five times in a row, are you now going to switch your call and decides that tails is better? I hope you said no, otherwise, you don't understand what counting is all about.
So trust the math, and stop trying to draw conclusions from short-term results, which are utterly meaningless.
Don
But you have to stop thinking the way you are. A high count NEVER "favors" the dealer. If you understand what counting is, you would understand that that makes no sense. Suppose we play a coin toss game with a biased coin that lands heads 51% of the time. You get to bet on heads or tails. What is your choice? I surely hope you said heads. Now, if we play and tails comes up five times in a row, are you now going to switch your call and decides that tails is better? I hope you said no, otherwise, you don't understand what counting is all about.
So trust the math, and stop trying to draw conclusions from short-term results, which are utterly meaningless.
Don
kcchiefsfan1982
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It is a strange game when new...before you have logged your hundreds of hours...because you take your small sample of what you have witnessed...then assume that is going to repeat itself...it won't!bwssr said:
Trust. The. Math.
Counting_Is_Fun
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That's a good example from Don.bwssr said:
And keep in mind it is going to take many thousands of rounds (depending on how good the rules are, how good you are, etc) before you can expect to see any relevant results. Make sure you have the necessary bankroll.
xengrifter
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I am thinking that a case can be made that a high count, even a very high count, can favor the dealer in both anomalous and manipulated card orderings...DSchles said:
... hence the 'beast mode' demonstrated in rare rogue-ASM sightings.
... The assessment of value provided solely by point count has limitations that we all acknowledge, no?
xengrifter
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Perhaps you are living in a bit of a bubble?DSchles said:
First, if we are speaking about big state-licensed corporations, certainly you know that big corporations pull evil shenanigans all the time... Hence, the Volkswagen emissions scandal.
Then, we allow for the possibility that these are rogue ASMs that are custom hackable and leave no trace... and even were it discovered by Gaming, there would still be plausible deniability by virtue of an incomplete legal definition of random shuffle.
The so-called beast mode would take advantage of shuffling anomalies first pointed out by Griffin - he isolated one of what must be possibly dozens or even hundreds of shuffling oddities that can affect the game outcome: a perfectly ordered brand new deck is given five perfect riffles and a cut - the casino now has a 25% advantage over the basic strategy player...
.... Back in the late 90s I noticed that Binion's was changing out their single deck every 30 minutes, and the dealers all followed the house procedure - 5 rifles and deal. After the first shuffle the dealers give normal shuffling with strips, but not the first shuffle out of the box.
The asm of today that can take a randomized deck and reorder it back to new can certainly then proceed to give any number of quasi-random shuffles that give the dealer a big boost.
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xengrifter
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Nassim Taleb just called, he said: "yes, Don lives in a bit of a bubble."
xengrifter
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"Hey hey, God don't make no mistakes...DSchles said:
... that's how he got to be God!"
------- Archie Bunker
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