Hole Card Exposed to All

adt_33

adt_33

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I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?
 
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ScottH

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adt_33 said:
I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?
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I believe you have the option of pulling your bet back at that point. Everytime that has happened when I had a bad hand I requested to take my bet back.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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adt_33 said:
I just returned from the casino. (I won $80 in 15 minutes. Yippee.)

During the deal, the dealer accidentally flipped over her hole card. The pit boss said to play it out. I was at last base, and I paused. I had 13, and so did the dealer. I only play BS. I was stumped!

"Uhhhh, so we really are playing this out?"

"Yes."

(sigh)

At that moment I felt like I had the upper hand, but I had no idea where to go with it. I finally decided that (the dealer's) 13 would turn very stiff, so I guess I should hit, which I did and I won.

Would this throw anyone else off?
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hmm i don't really know what the correct play would be in that case. i believe i would have stood knowing that the dealer had a 13. curious here, did the dealer bust?

best regards,
mr fr0g :D
 
ihate17

ihate17

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hole card basic strategy

Not very different in this case. Against a dealer 13, you would stay with your 13.

Often in cases like this, the pit might give everyone a choice of pulling their bet back or playing.
Or, make everyone play it out and pay the winners and push the losers.

ihate17
 
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Canceler

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I think in the case of a misdeal you get the chance to pull your bet back. This wasn't a misdeal.

Thank you for posting, adt_33. This situation might have thrown me off, but your post has caused me to figure out one way to handle it. This is a shortcut, and you have to use a little common sense.

You just mentally pick whichever card you want to be the upcard. If the dealer's 13 was a T and a 3, I'd pick the 3. I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 3 up. If the dealer's 13 was an 8 and a 5, I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 5 up.

This method breaks down if you see the dealer has a 5 and a 6, for example. That's where the common sense comes in.
 
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ortango

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hmm.. this does seem worth more investigation, not really for practical purposes but just to sate curiosity.

In one case, the dealer had 10, I had a 14 and signaled to hit. He ignored me and flipped his hole for a 20. I got pissed, (rightly so!) and the PB let me play out my hand. I got a 4 for 18, and instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit! The PB sighed but let me hit it, but I busted so I lost anyway. My case was obvious but yours would really not be in the casino environment.
 
sagefr0g

sagefr0g

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ortango said:
hmm.. this does seem worth more investigation, not really for practical purposes but just to sate curiosity.

In one case, the dealer had 10, I had a 14 and signaled to hit. He ignored me and flipped his hole for a 20. I got pissed, (rightly so!) and the PB let me play out my hand. I got a 4 for 18, and instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit! The PB sighed but let me hit it, but I busted so I lost anyway. My case was obvious but yours would really not be in the casino environment.
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:eek: :laugh: :joker: :laugh:
"i got pissed, (rightly so.....
....instinctively I said stay, then realized what I did and said hit, hit!"

i love this story! omg

best regards,
mr fr0g
 
adt_33

adt_33

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Canceler said:
You just mentally pick whichever card you want to be the upcard. If the dealer's 13 was a T and a 3, I'd pick the 3. I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 3 up.
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Ummm...I guess in retrospect I didn't make the right play. I mentioned that I thought her hand would bust (which it did) but I hit anyway. I should have stood. Like Canceler said, if the hole card exposes a stiff hand, you should stand.

However, if the hole cards exposed an initial strong hand (I'd say 7-11), then I would have quickly surrendered. This may also be a bad move, but still not as bad as the one I made.

I'd be dwelling on this one for a while if I actually lost it!
 
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ortango

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Its only happened to me twice in approximately 100 hours of play in the last couple months for me. Might happen more often in a dealt game though, as opposed to shoe, but Im not sure.
 
NDN21

NDN21

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Hole card exposed

Canceler said:
You just mentally pick whichever card you want to be the upcard. If the dealer's 13 was a T and a 3, I'd pick the 3. I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 3 up. If the dealer's 13 was an 8 and a 5, I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 5 up.

This method breaks down if you see the dealer has a 5 and a 6, for example. That's where the common sense comes in.
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I don't understand this at all. I think it breaks down much earlier than if the dealer has a 5 or 6.

Why would you pick "whichever (one) card", and ignore the value of the other card, and go off of that single value when you know the value of both cards? Why not presume the dealer's hole card is still in the discard tray, if they have to draw?

If you pick the three then in a normal situation that would mean the other card, the hole card, could be any value and BS says you would stand. If you pick the ten then BS says to hit. Against the known value of 13 this would be incorrect. BS says to stand.

Suppose the value of the dealer's first card was four and the second card (which they accidentally exposed) was six against your total of soft 15. If you pick either the four OR six then strategy (assume corresponding count) would say to double against either. But you know the total of both cards to be ten and strategy would say to just hit.

If the dealer's 13 was an 8 and a 5, I wouldn't hit my 13 against a 5 up.
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But you would hit your 13 against that 8 (assume corresponding count). Why would you ignore the value of one of the cards?

Why not just go with the known value of the dealer's hand (13) and know that they will have to hit (and pretend their hole card is the card still in the shoe). Knowing the value of both cards is an advantage over knowing the value of one card. Take any advantage you can get.

Please explain as I don't know why you would just pick the value of one card and ignore the other, when you know the value of both dealer cards.
 
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Canceler

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If you really want to know...

I just made that up on the spur of the moment late at night. It was not meant to be the definitive answer to holecard play. Just a shortcut way of thinking about it if you couldn't think of anything else.

For a much better answer see Sonny's post with the link in it.
 
NDN21

NDN21

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Canceler said:
I just made that up on the spur of the moment late at night.
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Been there, done that.

Can't say the results were quite like I wanted them to be.

Don't do it anymore.
 
NDN21

NDN21

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NDN21 said:
Been there, done that.

Can't say the results were quite like I wanted them to be.

Don't do it anymore.
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OOPS!!!!!!

I meant to write I don't do it anymore!!!!



:laugh: :rolleyes: :eek: :yikes:









Ironic, isn't it!!!!!!!
 
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ortango

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The mistake basically makes it double exposure. Wong's Professional BJ has full indexes if you want to memorize them (good luck!?!) but even with indexes, a 13 to 13 is always a stand.
 
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