hole card play?

p8ntballsk8r

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how is this done?

I'm under the impression that hole card players have an advantage off the top. Is it only possible with certain conditions or what? I've never seen a dealer allow the hole card to lift off the table before flipping it over to play out the dealers hand.
 

KenSmith

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Staff member
Some dealers are sloppy about how they tuck their downcard underneath the upcard, tilting it enough to be visible to some seats at the table. And, yes, it's a healthy advantage if you can find a game like that.
 

halcyon1234

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KenSmith said:
Some dealers are sloppy about how they tuck their downcard underneath the upcard, tilting it enough to be visible to some seats at the table. And, yes, it's a healthy advantage if you can find a game like that.
I've always wondered how unsubtle you can be about this. On every deal, can you just stick your face on the felt, squint-- and say "I'm trying to see your hole card."?
 

ScottH

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halcyon1234 said:
I've always wondered how unsubtle you can be about this. On every deal, can you just stick your face on the felt, squint-- and say "I'm trying to see your hole card."?
Sure, if you want to blow the great oppurtunity.
 

mdlbj

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Coupling hole carding with counting can be very advantageous yet, you may want to find a good strategy chart for it. When the opportunity presents its self use it.
 

Sonny

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There are actually several different spots where the hole card may be visible. Keep your eyes open during the entire draw/tuck procedure. You may find that some dealers expose their cards at different times or in different positions.

-Sonny-
 
In a shoe game, exposing the hole card during the draw and tuck is very rare, but you might see it during the peek. There's a peek only 4/13 hands so this will cut your opportunities. However some CSM's will increase your opportunities.
 

Mimosine

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on one occasion sitting at 3rd, from time to time i could catch a glimpse of the dealer's hole card, while just sitting there normally.
(due to incredibly sloppy card handling)

too bad i didn't know how to apply the information at the time.

1st and 3rd base provide the best opportunities at this, in my very limited opinion.
 
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ihate17

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Million Dollar Blackjack

I think Uston's million dollar blackjack had a hole card basic strategy in it, but I have not looked at the book in a while. He may also have had a modified strategy or talked about it. What I mean here is that you can never play perfect hole card strategy and expect to last on the table for any serious amount of time. You just can not be hitting your 19 when the dealer has a 20, as an example.
From off the table, watching a dealers exact method of pitching or pulling a card from a shoe, tucking and peeking, will give you an idea of where any weakness lies if there is a weakness. Then depending on what you have seen, you try to move yourself into the seat with the best possibility of a view. Sometimes that percieved weakness is not enough (unless you did actually put your chin on the table, not a good idea) but at times it will pay off good.
Quick read of the pips. This you can practice at home. Often all you will catch is a quick view of a pip or two on a card. From this you should be able to identify the card, sometimes you might be off by one.

One thing I have done for years is keep a little book on dealers that I can hole card and how and dealers that give exceptional pen. I move around and so do dealers, so without the book I might not remember them and after they move on, they may be trackable or not. Nothing suspicious about sitting at a table and asking a dealer about Joe or someone. Is he off, on vacation etc, and most often if they know him, they will tell you that he is off or has moved to X casino.

ihate17
 

bj bob

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Say What?

If you, in fact do see the dealer's hole hard, then aren't BOTH dealer's cards exposed at that point? Or am I missing something here?
 

ScottH

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bj bob said:
If you, in fact do see the dealer's hole hard, then aren't BOTH dealer's cards exposed at that point? Or am I missing something here?
Correct. In hold-carding you know both of the dealer's original two cards.
 

tribute

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Ooops!

bj bob and ScottH,

I am a "Senior Member" having senior moments. Thanks for educating me on hole carding. Maybe I should be playing some other game! 3-card poker or something. (I am going to delete that post!)
 
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