How do Friends become Enemies: Play BJ togetther

[Mr. T]

The guy plays all 7 boxes and I was playing behind him in third base. He indicates to the dealer he doesnt want a card on all 7 boxes. Before the dealer could carry on I ask him. We have A2 against the dealer 10, don't you want a card. He said no. So I told the dealer I surrender my bet. The dealer then pull a 7 for 17 and took most of the bets on the table.

The guy was furious with me after that. I dont know. What I did must have brought him bad luck or something like that. He avoided me and was barely on speaking terms with me after that.

 

[ihate17]

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The guy plays all 7 boxes and I was playing behind him in third base. He indicates to the dealer he doesnt want a card on all 7 boxes. Before the dealer could carry on I ask him. We have A2 against the dealer 10, don't you want a card. He said no. So I told the dealer I surrender my bet. The dealer then pull a 7 for 17 and took most of the bets on the table.

The guy was furious with me after that. I dont know. What I did must have brought him bad luck or something like that. He avoided me and was barely on speaking terms with me after that.

Were you really friends?
Did he want to be at the table alone?

ihate17

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I'm more interested in where you are allowed to play 7 spots.

 

[mdlbj]

What was the count?

 

[FLASH1296]

Details Details Details

Yes, I too want to know where this was.

Your "friend" standing on a soft 13 (against any dealer card)
is absurdly wrong under any and all circumstances.

I hope that you have other "friends" who have more sense than that.
You do know that people judge us by the company that we keep.

So ... where did this fiasco take place ?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

...Your "friend" standing on a soft 13 (against any dealer card) is absurdly wrong under any and all circumstances...

Well... I wouldn't say all. I would do it if I knew the next card was an ace.

 

[shadroch]

Well... I wouldn't say all. I would do it if I knew the next card was an ace.

Why? Whats the difference between a soft 13 and a soft 14?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Why? Whats the difference between a soft 13 and a soft 14?

Not very much. But that ace will either make the dealer's stiff stiffer, leave the dealer at 17, or be waiting for me at first base on the next hand.

 

[HarryKuntz]

Yes, I too want to know where this was.

Your "friend" standing on a soft 13 (against any dealer card)
is absurdly wrong under any and all circumstances.

I hope that you have other "friends" who have more sense than that.
You do know that people judge us by the company that we keep.

So ... where did this fiasco take place ?

Not so, if the player was steering a 10 to the dealer as a bust card or even a second bust card then it would be a very good +EV play.

The guy plays all 7 boxes and I was playing behind him in third base. He indicates to the dealer he doesnt want a card on all 7 boxes. Before the dealer could carry on I ask him. We have A2 against the dealer 10, don't you want a card. He said no. So I told the dealer I surrender my bet. The dealer then pull a 7 for 17 and took most of the bets on the table.

The guy was furious with me after that. I dont know. What I did must have brought him bad luck or something like that. He avoided me and was barely on speaking terms with me after that.

"The dealer then pull a 7 for 17"
Does this mean it's a ENHC game and the dealer took a card from the shoe? If so, playing seven spots is properly allowed.

If the guy was card steering then it would be no wonder that he was annoyed with you for making an issue about him standing on a soft hand to the dealer.

 

[Tarzan]

Incredibly poor judgement

Did you quiz your friend on why he would make such a boneheaded move(s)? That's what I'd be curious about. I see it everyday though. I just try to sit back and say little or nothing and try not to break into laughter is all.

I am just back from AC within the last hour or so from playing all night and saw some stelllar examples of I'm not sure what! For example, at one table I was at the same person that stayed on a soft 16 against the dealers 5 also performed such amazing maneuvers as not doubling an 11 against a dealer 6 and so on and so on...

At this very same table another player/observer that was obviously an associate of the stay on soft 16 guy was telling me about how I was not using the proper stategy in splitting my 4's against the dealer 5. "You're supposed to just hit that", He proclaimed matter of factly.

Out of all those I played alongside, I was the only one to pile up chips... because you have to just ignore such nonsense! Tell your friend to read a few books or perhaps look at this site a while?

 

[Katweezel]

7 spots

Not so, if the player was steering a 10 to the dealer as a bust card or even a second bust card then it would be a very good +EV play.




"The dealer then pull a 7 for 17"
Does this mean it's a ENHC game and the dealer took a card from the shoe? If so, playing seven spots is properly allowed.

If the guy was card steering then it would be no wonder that he was annoyed with you for making an issue about him standing on a soft hand to the dealer.

He surrendered. Australia is all ENHC, with no surrender. So it was not down here; where incidentally, you can play all 7 spots if you wish (if there are no other players.) :cat:

 

[Mr. T]

If the guy was card steering then it would be no wonder that he was annoyed with you for making an issue about him standing on a soft hand to the dealer.
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Harry.

Excuse me Harry, what is " card steering ". I did not make an issue about him standing on a soft hand. And I continued to play behind him right after this thing happened.

Yes it is ENHC on a cruise ship out of Singapore.

 

[HarryKuntz]

If the guy was card steering then it would be no wonder that he was annoyed with you for making an issue about him standing on a soft hand to the dealer.
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Harry.

Excuse me Harry, what is " card steering ". I did not make an issue about him standing on a soft hand. And I continued to play behind him right after this thing happened.

Yes it is ENHC on a cruise ship out of Singapore.

Say the guy knew the exact location of a 10 in the deck, he could not take hits or take additional hits to manipulate or "steer" where the card will be dealt. If the card was a 10, he could steer it so that it was the third or fourth card for the dealer. If the dealer needs to take hits with his first card being 10 valued, he would bust.

Knowing the exact location of a card could be achieved by getting a glimpse of the bottom card just after the shuffle. With good deck estimation and cutting skills, the player could then cut exactly 1 deck from the bottom. He would then know what the 52nd card to be dealt is going to be.

If the guy was card steering, pointing out the fact that he should have taken a hit on a soft stiff then surrendering your back bet, would be enough to make him nervious. Then again, he might have just been a superstitious ploppie.

Do you think this guy is an experienced AP able to execute advanced moves or just a another Plop?

 

[HarryKuntz]

He surrendered. Australia is all ENHC, with no surrender. So it was not down here; where incidentally, you can play all 7 spots if you wish (if there are no other players.) :cat:

I've never seen a ENHC game where they limited you to the amount of boxes that can be played, although if playing heads up, sometimes you be may have to play at least 2. Thanks for confirming it's the same in OZ.