How to determine if a VP game is "full pay"

[Lonesome Gambler]

It's as the title says. I'm sure there's a glaringly obvious answer to this question, but how can one tell if a video poker game is "full pay?"

 

[SleightOfHand]

It's as the title says. I'm sure there's a glaringly obvious answer to this question, but how can one tell if a video poker game is "full pay?"

Compare the payouts of the machine with a full pay machine. If they match, its FP. Some people only look at the "9/6" (or whatever) portion of the payouts, but be careful, as if the other payouts don't match, its still not FP.

 

[takinfromindians97]

9 - 6 Machines

You want the payout to be a 9 6 machine. If that makes any sence, you want it to he pay have one hand pay 6 units and the hand above it pay 9 units on the payout chart.

 

[toastcmu]

Just a quick point - the 9/6 only applies to Jacks or Better Video Poker. Other games have different pay schedules (Deuces Wild, Bonus Poker, etc).

The easiest way to get that info is via http://www.vpfree2.com -

-B

 

[shadroch]

The pay table of a VP machine is on the machine itself. Go to a site like VPfree2 and find the full pay table for that particular game and compare.
Full pay machines are getting rare, but they often can be found.
Another consideration to be looked into is the machine a true video poker machine or is it a video lottery machine disguised as one. That can be determined by which jurisdiction the machine is in.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Excellent. Thanks!

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

I suppose my next question is how to determine the EV for a particular paytable. For example, this shows a full-pay vs. short pay Deuces Wild machine.

	                Full Pay    Short Pay
Royal Flush	        250	       250
4 Deuces	        200	       200
Wild Royal	        25	       25
5 of a kind	        15	       15
Straight Flush          9	       9
4 of a kind	        5	       4
Full House	        3	       3
Flush	                2	       2
Straight	        2	       2
3 of a kind	        1	       1
Expected Return	100.17%	94.30%

If I want to determine the EV for the following game, how would I go about it? Note that the 4 of a kind payout is short, but the flush and full house payouts are higher.

Royal Flush	        250
4 Deuces	        200	       
Wild Royal	        25	       
5 of a kind	        15	       
Straight Flush          9	       
4 of a kind	        4	      
Full House	        4	    
Flush	                3	      
Straight	        2	       
3 of a kind	        1

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

Nevermind, according to this chart (Archive copy), I'm looking at an EV of -1.09%. No thanks. Frustratingly, it looks like the "local" casino has VP with an EV of less than -0.4%, but there are no comps to be had! I'm assuming there's no other way to exploit this type of game, given that the EV is not positive off the top, but if there is a way, and anyone feels like PMing me some vague hints... Otherwise, I'll not worry about them for the moment.