How to handle mispays

[bjcardcounter]

I really had only one occasion when the dealer paid instead of a push.Dealer was a good guy - fast dealer when heads up and I was true to my heart :joker: I hinted him when he was collecting the cards. He took the money back and said Thanks.

Let us say I want to take advantage of this,

1. Is this considered cheating if I took the money as soon as he paid?
2. Should I wait until he collected the cards so that there is no way for him to cross verify?

3. Should this thread be deleted and only PMs accepted?:eyepatch:

 

[Gamblor]

I really had only one occasion when the dealer paid instead of a push.Dealer was a good guy - fast dealer when heads up and I was true to my heart :joker: I hinted him when he was collecting the cards. He took the money back and said Thanks.

Let us say I want to take advantage of this,

1. Is this considered cheating if I took the money as soon as he paid?
2. Should I wait until he collected the cards so that there is no way for him to cross verify?

3. Should this thread be deleted and only PMs accepted?:eyepatch:

No, no, and maybe

Be conscious of how you take the chips when you win when the dealer does not mispay. Take it in the same way so as to not even subtly hint to the dealer or anyone else for that matter, that he mispayed.

Of course, due to my massive skillz I do not need to engage in such cheap tricks as dealer mispays!!!

 

[mjatte]

I think I experienced a payout error recently.

I was playing at a full table and was talking with the dealer about betting $100 soon.

I bet THREE green and then split twice and doubled once, so I now have $300 on the table.

dealer breaks, I win all three hands.

After the dealer pays out my hand, and I'm starting to collect my chips, I think I have 4 greens next to the 3 I bet, as well as possibly one extra green on the other two hands.

It happened so fast, and the dealer was already getting ready to deal the next hand, and since the payout involved multiple stacks of red and green, I assumed that I had seen it wrong, and assumed the dealer was correct, and that the pit would correct it it was an error.

In the past I have embarrassed myself, by accusing the dealer of an error (both in my favor and not in my favor) when the dealer was fine, but I wonder if this might have been a mispay since I wonder if the dealer thought I bet $100 since I was betting $100 in green before, and talking to the dealer about when I'm going to put my hundred out.

I have no idea if this actually happened or not. it was so fast.

 

[shadroch]

Mispays in your direction- say nothing unless the PB is there and is very likely to catch the mistake anyway. Giving back the money under those circumstances may aid you down the road when asking for comps, and the PB almost certainly would have corrected it anyway.
Mispays that go against you- complain quietly until you are satisfied. If you can't get satisfaction, complain loudly.
Mispays for other players- that depends on their attitudes.A player who is an ass doesn't deserve my intervention. A player who is a good tablemate does.

 

[PonyPrincess]

It's not on you to keep track of how much they should pay you.

Unless it's too little.

 

[EmeraldCityBJ]

I really had only one occasion when the dealer paid instead of a push.Dealer was a good guy - fast dealer when heads up and I was true to my heart :joker: I hinted him when he was collecting the cards. He took the money back and said Thanks.

Let us say I want to take advantage of this,

1. Is this considered cheating if I took the money as soon as he paid?
2. Should I wait until he collected the cards so that there is no way for him to cross verify?

3. Should this thread be deleted and only PMs accepted?:eyepatch:

You can take the mispay, unless one or more of the following is true:
1) The pit will notice.
2) A ploppy who can't keep their mouth shut is at your table and notices.
3) You're on a game or in a casino where longevity is a serious concern for you, and even then, only tell them about the mispay sparingly.
4) You don't want to risk getting your dealer in trouble. (E.g. The dealer offers better penetration than everyone else and you don't want them written up, suspended, or otherwise pulled off the game).

If a ploppy gets a mispay (either in their favor, or in the casino's favor), don't say anything. Their hand is their business.

After the mispay:
1) Do NOT toke the dealer. If the mispay gets caught later on, you don't want them to even consider the possibility that the dealer did it on purpose.
2) Consider ending your session. This largely depends on the size of the mispay, and on how likely it is to get noticed later on. If you get a large mispay, do NOT stop by the cage on your way out of the casino.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

 

[tthree]

I had three mispays the last time I played. I corrected the dealer every time.

The first I had a double down at my middle sized bet. The dealer goes by hand by hand for everyones payout. He gets to me and I go woe woe. I won that hand. He then puts my chips back and pays me. Later on a double down on a minimum bet the relief dealer starts taking my bet and I stop him and point out I had a push. The third time it was a flat bet they tried to take instead of pay me.

I played 2 hands at a full table for about 5 hours. Does this seem fishy? I started expecting one in my favor but it never came.

 

[Youk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

Great band, even better song!!!

 

[Renzey]

I really had only one occasion when the dealer paid instead of a push.Dealer was a good guy - fast dealer when heads up and I was true to my heart :joker: I hinted him when he was collecting the cards. He took the money back and said Thanks.

Let us say I want to take advantage of this,

1. Is this considered cheating if I took the money as soon as he paid?
2. Should I wait until he collected the cards so that there is no way for him to cross verify?

3. Should this thread be deleted and only PMs accepted?:eyepatch:

Mispays, and other mistakes happen repeatedly -- in both directions. Stay vigilant for them. I have seen many things that nobody else apparently did. Whether to say something depends upon a lot of circumstances.

I saw a player buy in with a stack of 50's. The dealer spread them out in three rows, four in each row. Problem was, one of the bills in the middle row was a 20. Dealer announced, "Changing 600". Floorman approached, took a quick look and said, "Go ahead". I stayed out of it.

A player at first base doubled down with 12 against a deuce, and bought a Jack - sideways. Dealer kept on moving along, busted out and paid everybody, including the glaring 22. I tried to stare a hole thru both the player and dealer, but again stayed out of it.

I made a five card hard 17 at second base. The other two players had much better hands. Dealer made a three card hard 17 and paid everybody. I waved my index finger back and forth from her hand to mine, indicating an error. She said, "Woops! Hey Beverly (the floorperson). Beverly came over and said, "Yes?" Dealer replied, "I paid a push", then announced almost as if she was the one informing me, "I'm sorry Sir, I'll have to take it back".

I was making minimum bets just after a high count dropped. I had 17 against an Ace at third base. Expecting to lose, I turned around to watch the first round of cards come out at the table behind me. Turned back too late to see my outcome, but still had my chip sitting in the betting circle, and the dealer was dealing a new hand. "Whadj'ya' make?" I asked him. "I don't remember" was his reply. Maybe three hands later, floorboss came over and kindly explained that: "Surviellance called. Sorry, but I'm afraid you owe us "$xx". Tony here, pushed his 18 against your 17. I complied peacefully.

This next one has happened to me more than once. I had blackjack against an Ace and declined Even Money. Dealer turned up a 10 in the hole and scooped up all the bets -- including mine!

I've seen underpays, overpays, etc, etc, especially on odd bet blackjacks -- Newbies, keep your eyes open!

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Mispays, and other mistakes happen repeatedly -- in both directions. Stay vigilant for them. I have seen many things that nobody else apparently did. Whether to say something depends upon a lot of circumstances.

I saw a player buy in with a stack of 50's. The dealer spread them out in three rows, four in each row. Problem was, one of the bills in the middle row was a 20. Dealer announced, "Changing 600". Floorman approached, took a quick look and said, "Go ahead". I stayed out of it.

A player at first base doubled down with 12 against a deuce, and bought a Jack - sideways. Dealer kept on moving along, busted out and paid everybody, including the glaring 22. I tried to stare a hole thru both the player and dealer, but again stayed out of it.

I made a five card hard 17 at second base. The other two players had much better hands. Dealer made a three card hard 17 and paid everybody. I waved my index finger back and forth from her hand to mine, indicating an error. She said, "Woops! Hey Beverly (the floorperson). Beverly came over and said, "Yes?" Dealer replied, "I paid a push", then announced almost as if she was the one informing me, "I'm sorry Sir, I'll have to take it back".

I was making minimum bets just after a high count dropped. I had 17 against an Ace at third base. Expecting to lose, I turned around to watch the first round of cards come out at the table behind me. Turned back too late to see my outcome, but still had my chip sitting in the betting circle, and the dealer was dealing a new hand. "Whadj'ya' make?" I asked him. "I don't remember" was his reply. Maybe three hands later, floorboss came over and kindly explained that: "Surviellance called. Sorry, but I'm afraid you owe us "$xx". Tony here, pushed his 18 against your 17. I complied peacefully.

This next one has happened to me more than once. I had blackjack against an Ace and declined Even Money. Dealer turned up a 10 in the hole and scooped up all the bets -- including mine!

I've seen underpays, overpays, etc, etc, especially on odd bet blackjacks -- Newbies, keep your eyes open!

Why would you correct a dealer mis-paying in YOUR favor? Worst case scenario Surveillance calls and says give it back.

 

[kewljason]

Why would you correct a dealer mis-paying in YOUR favor? Worst case scenario Surveillance calls and says give it back.

How about good Karma? Because you are a good guy. Less to answer for come judgement day. Not my answers, mind you, but they could be somebodys. :laugh:

 

[MeWin$]

I had three mispays the last time I played. I corrected the dealer every time.

The first I had a double down at my middle sized bet. The dealer goes by hand by hand for everyones payout. He gets to me and I go woe woe. I won that hand. He then puts my chips back and pays me. Later on a double down on a minimum bet the relief dealer starts taking my bet and I stop him and point out I had a push. The third time it was a flat bet they tried to take instead of pay me.

I played 2 hands at a full table for about 5 hours. Does this seem fishy? I started expecting one in my favor but it never came.

I swear mispays happen in a players favor when they are nice and never complain, and also the reverse is true. It may sound a bit hokey but its worth money to be nice and NEVER, even as a 'joke' say anything negative at the table.

 

[tthree]

I swear mispays happen in a players favor when they are nice and never complain, and also the reverse is true. It may sound a bit hokey but its worth money to be nice and NEVER, even as a 'joke' say anything negative at the table.

You may be right but I didn.t think I was anything but nice.

 

[Gamblor]

Why would you correct a dealer mis-paying in YOUR favor? Worst case scenario Surveillance calls and says give it back.

As somebody made a very good point on another thread recently (sorry I forget the member), if the PC is looking on and is likely to catch the mistake anyway, might as well earn some brownie points.

Having said that, did have the PC approve a mis-pay in my favor, until a damn ploppy point it out :cry:

 

[Friendo]

Check the color-ups

In my short career I have almost been zapped on color-ups: once for $50 and once for $100.

On one of them, the pit boss was nodding in agreement with the dealer as she prepared to return $550 for my $600 in greens and reds. I had to say "Are you sure about this one, guys?"

Memorize the blackjack payoffs on $25, $75, $125, etc. I have had a dealer who could not compute the blackjack payoff on a $75 bet.

 

[Renzey]

Why would you correct a dealer mis-paying in YOUR favor? Worst case scenario Surveillance calls and says give it back.

I simply like myself better that way -- and that's that.

 

[tribute]

I once had a new dealer mis-pay me three times in a row while the floor was watching. Two were pushes, as I remember. I guess she was just nervous. I kept waiting for the boss to get involved, but he never uttered a word. I also didn't want to make a scene for her.

It goes both ways. A dealer on a hot table became so acustomed to making 20's and 21's, she developed a habit of swooping up cards and chips in a predictable motion. I finally drew to 21, but still, here comes that swoop. I had to speak up to make her look at my hand once again! We both had a short laugh.

 

[socal_bj]

Great band, even better song!!!

I was mispaid once (I had 17 and dealer 18). I looked at her and said "did you just pay me?" The player to my right said "ssh...don't say anything"

The dealer had already picked up my cards so she gave me a look that indicated I should shut up. I think she didn't want to get caught making a mistake.

Anyway.. I just kept quiet but felt weird about it. This was in Vegas.

Then this weekend I told a dealer here in Socal about it and he said I did the wrong thing. He said in Vegas if I knowingly accept a mispay it was a felony and I could go to jail.

He said I should have thrown the money back at her and leave the table.

 

[tthree]

I was mispaid once (I had 17 and dealer 18). I looked at her and said "did you just pay me?" The player to my right said "ssh...don't say anything"

The dealer had already picked up my cards so she gave me a look that indicated I should shut up. I think she didn't want to get caught making a mistake.

Anyway.. I just kept quiet but felt weird about it. This was in Vegas.

Then this weekend I told a dealer here in Socal about it and he said I did the wrong thing. He said in Vegas if I knowingly accept a mispay it was a felony and I could go to jail.

He said I should have thrown the money back at her and leave the table.

Sarcasm is lost on some people.