How to play BJ,and win.

shadroch

Well-Known Member
Anyone ever hear of Greg Williams?

He is teaching a course at The Learning Annex in NYC. The LA usually offers top shelf classes and instructors,so I'm a bit curious about him.

This is the biography offered in the brochure-Greg Williams has been playing BJ for 35 years,in casinos all over the world.As his skill level advanced,blackjack becvame a source of income for him at various points in his life.

Listing adds-Greg will teach the game in a new way-a way never taught here before.How to win at BJ without counting cards.
Greg will cover
betting strategies
Money Management
Goal Setting
How not to get banned
and more.$15 material fees.

A three hour course is about $50.

Thing that interests me is that the LA usually offers courses by experts in their fields. Real Estate classes with Trump and The Rich Dad,fim-making with DeNiro,Costner,ect. Its not a fly by night place.

So anyone know anything about Mr Williams? or his "new way" to make money without counting?
 

SystemsTrader

Well-Known Member
I don't know anything about this Williams guy but be very careful with the learning annex, they will let any con artist with a course teach through them. Rich Dad is a perfect example!
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
shadroch said:
Anyone ever hear of Greg Williams?

He is teaching a course at The Learning Annex in NYC. The LA usually offers top shelf classes and instructors,so I'm a bit curious about him.

This is the biography offered in the brochure-Greg Williams has been playing BJ for 35 years,in casinos all over the world.As his skill level advanced,blackjack becvame a source of income for him at various points in his life.

Listing adds-Greg will teach the game in a new way-a way never taught here before.How to win at BJ without counting cards.
Greg will cover
betting strategies
Money Management
Goal Setting
How not to get banned
and more.$15 material fees.

A three hour course is about $50.

Thing that interests me is that the LA usually offers courses by experts in their fields. Real Estate classes with Trump and The Rich Dad,fim-making with DeNiro,Costner,ect. Its not a fly by night place.

So anyone know anything about Mr Williams? or his "new way" to make money without counting?
The price is pretty cheap but unless he is teaching you how to shuffle track or read the dealers hole card, he can not be teaching you a winning system without counting (unless he is teaching you to cheat). No one will teach you shuffle tracking in a quick seminar and no one will teach you hole carding for $50. It might be worth the $50 out of curiousity to learn just what kind of voodoo system he has.

ihate17
 

bnoc848

Active Member
y not just buy a 20$ book liek blackbelt in blackjack wich teaches u everything and you know its good stuff that works!
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
I have no intention of taking the course,I was just curious if he's a big name player.I have laid out my course for getting where I want to get in BJ.Barring something unforeseen happening,you can expect my first report as a full-fledged CC in early November.
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
shadroch said:
Anyone ever hear of Greg Williams?
Never heard of him! However, I think I know where he is coming from. See my updated syllabus below.

shadroch said:
Greg will cover
betting strategies (a.k.a. progression systems)
Money Management (a.k.a. useless stop-win and stop-loss limits)
Goal Setting (a.k.a. psychological “quite while ahead” and “leave the table after three losses in a row” gibberish)
How not to get banned (Easy, just use any of the above methods!:laugh: )

shadroch said:
So anyone know anything about Mr Williams? or his "new way" to make money without counting?
Sure, I know all about his way of making money. It’s a simple 4-step process:

1) Claim to be an expert BJ player even though you’re not
2) Get people to pay for a BJ seminar
3) Give them worthless information but make is sound credible. Be sure to include plenty of typical gambling myths and superstitions. Try to invent new catch phrases using standard gambling words (examples: player bias, dealer breaking, clump dumping, pattern recognition, trend reversal, switchbacks).
4) Count your money in the car as you’re driving home.

NOTE: Be sure to leave before anyone catches on to you. If anybody points out your ignorance, belittle them with insults and refuse to show any evidence that your system works. Make absurd claims like “computers can’t simulate my complicated system” or “my experience proves that it is effective.” Be sure to point out that legitimate methods like card counting are “old methods” that don’t work in “today’s” game but that your “new system“ is a “sure winner every time.”

-Sonny-
 

zengrifter

Banned
Sonny said:
...invent new catch phrases using standard gambling words (examples: player bias, dealer breaking, clump dumping, pattern recognition, trend reversal, switchbacks).
Accurate switchback location play requires competent trend analysis software from...


CIPHERBJ.COM!
 

dacium

Well-Known Member
Sounds like the thing you see all the time in market/trading. Typical scammer. I even see this guys teaching people nothing the the 'mentality' needed. Ie they teach you nothing about blackjack but just how to be mentally focused so you always play by the mathematical best moves.

I suppose it MIGHT be possible to beat blackjack without counting cards, but just keeping track of the result of each hand. For example, out of the first 50 hands in a shoe, if the dealer wins the first 45, chances are alot of low cards have come out. The deck may have a high count in this situation. The only question would be how often you would encounter a situation where the dealer has won many hands and how probable is it after encounting this is it that the deck is now rich in tens? I would still think the spread would need to be collosal. Seems like an interesting one to work out if I can ever get my program to work, still haven't got it to split hands correctly :-(
 

stinkus

Member
Seems to not really divulge anything about what he teaches and his testimonials don't even sound good. Anyway, if anyone is interested on reading more on this guy:

(Dead link: http://www.blackjackwinnersblvd.com/default.asp)

Take his BJ quiz, its really silly, just quizzing you on basic strategy...
 

ScottH

Well-Known Member
stinkus said:
Seems to not really divulge anything about what he teaches and his testimonials don't even sound good. Anyway, if anyone is interested on reading more on this guy:

(Dead link: http://www.blackjackwinnersblvd.com/default.asp)

Take his BJ quiz, its really silly, just quizzing you on basic strategy...
I got 100%! :D
 

zengrifter

Banned
At least he teaches correct BS.

Here's the product I like:

Learn Basic Strategy under Hypnosis ( CD ) - Promotional Price: $47
One of the first things beginning blackjack player's must do is to learn how to properly play the cards. You can accomplish this in many ways from reading books to referring to pocket-sized player's guides. What you really want is for the play of the cards to be second nature to you, as natural as breathing. While this will come with time, you can expedite the process with the MP3 file. Playing this file every day for 3 weeks, when you have the time to listen to it and relax, will give you the mastery of the Basic Strategy for blackjack. (Playing Time = 28:25.)
 

surv

New Member
SystemsTrader said:
I don't know anything about this Williams guy but be very careful with the learning annex, they will let any con artist with a course teach through them. Rich Dad is a perfect example!
Rich dad, aka Robert Kiyosaki, is a con artist? Don't you mistake him for Rich Jerk?
 

SystemsTrader

Well-Known Member
surv said:
Rich dad, aka Robert Kiyosaki, is a con artist? Don't you mistake him for Rich Jerk?
I suppose but he is really misleading people big time! I have actually read a few of his books. Once you read one there is no reason to read anymore. He spouts the same crap in each book and he actually has wrote 18 of them.

For starters Kiyosaki promotes multi-level marketing. Right there that should tell you he is a fraud. In one of his later books he talks about how the rich invest in options and how the rich make money out of thin air by using a strategy called covered calls. And how the rich use technical analysis to make money and protect themselves in the market. This is all basic, beginner techniques but he makes it sound sofisticated to the novice investor. He used to run an options course for some rediculous amount of money. I forget how much it was but it was somewhere around 3 or 4 grand for a weekend and all they taught were basic option techniques which could be found in any book. It would be like someone charging that amount of money to teach basic strategy in blackjack.

I could probably go on and on about this guy but check out this site it might give you a lot more about the fraud of Rich Dad.
http://www.johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html
 
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