I don't get it.

Sixtyin3

New Member
Quick question.
People say CSMs actually help a BS player, however if you only win a hand 43% of the time out of a new shoe, how does the CSM help? Most, if not all the cards are usually in a CSM.
 

Dyepaintball12

Well-Known Member
No it's not an advantage for the BS player.

Since the dealer never shuffles you are going to play more hands per hour and therefore lose more.
 

winr_winr_chicken_dinner!

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CSMs are a little "less worse" for the basic strategy player than a hand dealt game if the rules are the same. They are still a losing proposition. Due to the continuous shuffling and "always" playing with full decks, variance does drop slightly, or so I have been told... of course the faster you play playing straight BS, the more you will lose regardless because of the house edge.

I guess if you wanted to maximize your table time, play a "gambling" game, and not spend a lot of money then a CSM at a full table would be just fine.
 

tribute

Well-Known Member
Sixtyin3 said:
Quick question.
People say CSMs actually help a BS player, however if you only win a hand 43% of the time out of a new shoe, how does the CSM help? Most, if not all the cards are usually in a CSM.
The much-maligned CSM does help a basic strategy player but the advantage is so slight, it is really insignificant. The help comes from the "cut-card effect". This is better explained by someone other than myself. You also get more hands dealt per hour meaning you lose faster. It is also very rare to see a non-AP execute perfect basic strategy, anyway. I have had days where I was losing so bad on shoe and pitch games, I walked over to a CSM and recovered my losses! I guess anything can happen in a casino!
 

Sucker

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Just to make it perfectly clear: The MICROSCOPIC gain that a perfect basic strategy player gets on the CSM is overshadowed more than a hundred-fold, by the extra losses that come because of the fact that the machine deals more hands per hour than a game which is periodically interrupted by a shuffle.
 
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