I don't like to share my table!

[tensplitter]

If I'm playing heads up or with one other player and someone else tries to join I tell them that the dealer keeps getting 20s and 21s (even if untrue) or that if they join they will ruin the "good flow". I also put a white chip behind 3 spots to mark that I may be playing those spots.

I also try to chase them away by commenting on how they're playing their hand or telling them to do stupid things like double a hard 12 or split tens against 10. If they double down a 11 I root for an ace and if they hit a stiff I root for a king or queen. I root for a dealer 21 so they would think I'm bringing bad luck. And I suggest that they make big bets and play multiple spots during negative counts.

I anyway wong in and out if I'm not playing heads up, which pisses off the ploppies.

There's a regular at Parx who recognizes me on sight and refuses to play at my table because she hates my wonging and ten splitting.

I feel bad by resorting to such antisocial tactics to increase my EV. The average ploppie goes to a casino to have a good time losing their money. During most of the times I play at Parx most of the people are gambling addicts (who else would be playing at 3AM on a weekday in middle of nowhere, PA). Of course the casino thrives off the degenerate gamblers much more than the casino loses to APs. I go there as often as many of the gambling addicts but in my case I'm destined to win indefinitely rather than lose everything. I just hate seeing other players get the tens and aces instead of me getting them or the dealer getting the tens to bust. I usually play third base so my bets would be more accurate with the count if I'm heads up.
If I'm playing at busy times like weekend nights when the table is going to be full I won't try to chase players off my table since it would be full all night. If it's the middle of the night and there are plenty of other tables that's when I go into full swing. If I'm playing alone for hours I prefer to keep it that way if I'm steadily winning. Having just one other player reduces the hands per hour by half but allows me to wong out, and 4 players would reduce the hands per hour/win rate by 75%. I can reach N0 in only 20 hours of heads up play (200 hands per hour)

 

[paddywhack]

Sounds like

If I'm playing heads up or with one other player and someone else tries to join I tell them that the dealer keeps getting 20s and 21s (even if untrue) or that if they join they will ruin the "good flow". I also put a white chip behind 3 spots to mark that I may be playing those spots.

I also try to chase them away by commenting on how they're playing their hand or telling them to do stupid things like double a hard 12 or split tens against 10. If they double down a 11 I root for an ace and if they hit a stiff I root for a king or queen. I root for a dealer 21 so they would think I'm bringing bad luck. And I suggest that they make big bets and play multiple spots during negative counts.

I anyway wong in and out if I'm not playing heads up, which pisses off the ploppies.

There's a regular at Parx who recognizes me on sight and refuses to play at my table because she hates my wonging and ten splitting.

I feel bad by resorting to such antisocial tactics to increase my EV. The average ploppie goes to a casino to have a good time losing their money. During most of the times I play at Parx most of the people are gambling addicts (who else would be playing at 3AM on a weekday in middle of nowhere, PA). Of course the casino thrives off the degenerate gamblers much more than the casino loses to APs. I go there as often as many of the gambling addicts but in my case I'm destined to win indefinitely rather than lose everything. I just hate seeing other players get the tens and aces instead of me getting them or the dealer getting the tens to bust. I usually play third base so my bets would be more accurate with the count if I'm heads up.
If I'm playing at busy times like weekend nights when the table is going to be full I won't try to chase players off my table since it would be full all night. If it's the middle of the night and there are plenty of other tables that's when I go into full swing. If I'm playing alone for hours I prefer to keep it that way if I'm steadily winning. Having just one other player reduces the hands per hour by half but allows me to wong out, and 4 players would reduce the hands per hour/win rate by 75%. I can reach N0 in only 20 hours of heads up play (200 hands per hour)

Maybe a little too much exuberance here IMO.

If you're that memorable to a regular, you are equally as memorable to the dealers and the pit - and that could be trouble.

Although I prefer to have fewer people at the table, it doesn't always work that way. I would much rather keep a lower profile that to openly piss people off. But YMMV.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

If I'm playing heads up or with one other player and someone else tries to join I tell them that the dealer keeps getting 20s and 21s (even if untrue) or that if they join they will ruin the "good flow". I also put a white chip behind 3 spots to mark that I may be playing those spots.

I also try to chase them away by commenting on how they're playing their hand or telling them to do stupid things like double a hard 12 or split tens against 10. If they double down a 11 I root for an ace and if they hit a stiff I root for a king or queen. I root for a dealer 21 so they would think I'm bringing bad luck. And I suggest that they make big bets and play multiple spots during negative counts.

I anyway wong in and out if I'm not playing heads up, which pisses off the ploppies.

There's a regular at Parx who recognizes me on sight and refuses to play at my table because she hates my wonging and ten splitting.

I feel bad by resorting to such antisocial tactics to increase my EV. The average ploppie goes to a casino to have a good time losing their money. During most of the times I play at Parx most of the people are gambling addicts (who else would be playing at 3AM on a weekday in middle of nowhere, PA). Of course the casino thrives off the degenerate gamblers much more than the casino loses to APs. I go there as often as many of the gambling addicts but in my case I'm destined to win indefinitely rather than lose everything. I just hate seeing other players get the tens and aces instead of me getting them or the dealer getting the tens to bust. I usually play third base so my bets would be more accurate with the count if I'm heads up.
If I'm playing at busy times like weekend nights when the table is going to be full I won't try to chase players off my table since it would be full all night. If it's the middle of the night and there are plenty of other tables that's when I go into full swing. If I'm playing alone for hours I prefer to keep it that way if I'm steadily winning. Having just one other player reduces the hands per hour by half but allows me to wong out, and 4 players would reduce the hands per hour/win rate by 75%. I can reach N0 in only 20 hours of heads up play (200 hands per hour)

A few comments.

1. Be judicious about pissing people off in a casino. A man is CA was followed out of a casino and killed by another patron for his winnings this week. This strategy of yours is not worth enough to get banned for either.

This leads to...
2. What's wrong with ploppies at the table? They eat your -EV hands too, which is most of them. Yes they slow things down too, always a problem, but the cards they consume can be used to your advantage in all kinds of ways. Remember you are playing at Parx, you are limited to a running count only system there due to the covered shoes and discards, you need all the help you can get.

and this leads to...
3. If your N0 is 40,000 your approach isn't very effective. Try something else.

 

[Lonesome Gambler]

A lot of people think that pit bosses and floorpersons are just there to stare you down and answer calls from surveillance telling them to kick you out, but the fact is that a large part of their job is customer service. If a patron is actively creating an unpleasant environment for other patrons, and a table is staying empty (ie. not making money) as a result, do you think they might start to look at the player causing this in a negative light?

 

[fubster]

A lot of people think that pit bosses and floorpersons are just there to stare you down and answer calls from surveillance telling them to kick you out, but the fact is that a large part of their job is customer service. If a patron is actively creating an unpleasant environment for other patrons, and a table is staying empty (ie. not making money) as a result, do you think they might start to look at the player causing this in a negative light?

+1. Seems like if you're playing with aggressive indicies (splitting tens etc), making proper insurance decisions, and employing a winning spread along with pissing off everyone else, you'll get booted pretty fast.

Also it doesn't matter where you sit when playing heads up.

 

[Syph]

Sounds like a N0 of 4000.

For you SCORE junkies that's $250 (1,000,000 / N0).

Good game. Perhaps a little too good, are you sure your numbers are correct?

Don't feel bad about resorting to antisocial tactics to increase your EV. You guys really are far too sensitive to others. If you wish to get somewhat philosophical about it, by making the experience as bad as possible for the degenerates ... you are actually promoting the good. Imagine a world where advantage players ruled the earth, making life a living hell for the degenerates. Maybe they'd give up gambling, stay home, and look after their families. Making a degenerate happy strikes me as somewhat immoral and/or unethical. Why would you wish to encourage their behavior?

Courage is about pulling all living things out of Hell, not tiptoeing around the sensitivities of addicts. Buddha is with me on this one. Sorta.

Anyway, I'm all for abusing the ploppies. However, I've had limited success with splitting tens, doubling soft 20s, etc ... those moves do tend to draw attention from the pit critters and/or surveillance. If your game is this good, you may wish to sacrifice a little EV for longevity. Anything under a N0 of 10,000 is a solid game worth holding on to.

JMHO,
Syph

 

[bigplayer]

A few comments.


2. What's wrong with ploppies at the table? They eat your -EV hands too, which is most of them.

Squares eating up your positive rounds hurts you much more than they help you by eating up your negative rounds....especially when you have 20x or 30x the money in action in positive rounds than negative rounds.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Sounds like a N0 of 4000.

For you SCORE junkies that's $250 (1,000,000 / N0).

Good game. Perhaps a little too good, are you sure your numbers are correct?

Don't feel bad about resorting to antisocial tactics to increase your EV. You guys really are far too sensitive to others. If you wish to get somewhat philosophical about it, by making the experience as bad as possible for the degenerates ... you are actually promoting the good. Imagine a world where advantage players ruled the earth, making life a living hell for the degenerates. Maybe they'd give up gambling, stay home, and look after their families. Making a degenerate happy strikes me as somewhat immoral and/or unethical. Why would you wish to encourage their behavior?

Courage is about pulling all living things out of Hell, not tiptoeing around the sensitivities of addicts. Buddha is with me on this one. Sorta.

Anyway, I'm all for abusing the ploppies. However, I've had limited success with splitting tens, doubling soft 20s, etc ... those moves do tend to draw attention from the pit critters and/or surveillance. If your game is this good, you may wish to sacrifice a little EV for longevity. Anything under a N0 of 10,000 is a solid game worth holding on to.

JMHO,
Syph

No, nobody gets a N0 of 4000 at Parx. 20,000 if you're good.

This is not a game worth taking anything beyond the usual risks over. It is however the kind of game a local can milk for years for a decent win rate and comps. Piss off too many people too often and you will lose this opportunity.

Much better to just backcount when you can and Wong out when you can't. Both techniques require ploppies. Trying to let them play when the count is low and forcing them to quit when it's high, how many times do you think you're going to get away with that? I'd rather make friends with them and scavenge EV off their misplayed hands.

 

[paddywhack]

This is not a game worth taking anything beyond the usual risks over. It is however the kind of game a local can milk for years for a decent win rate and comps. Piss off too many people too often and you will lose this opportunity.

Much better to just backcount when you can and Wong out when you can't. Both techniques require ploppies. Trying to let them play when the count is low and forcing them to quit when it's high, how many times do you think you're going to get away with that? I'd rather make friends with them and scavenge EV off their misplayed hands.

Nice

 

[Chuckychess]

If I'm playing heads up or with one other player and someone else tries to join I tell them that the dealer keeps getting 20s and 21s (even if untrue) or that if they join they will ruin the "good flow". I also put a white chip behind 3 spots to mark that I may be playing those spots.

I also try to chase them away by commenting on how they're playing their hand or telling them to do stupid things like double a hard 12 or split tens against 10. If they double down a 11 I root for an ace and if they hit a stiff I root for a king or queen. I root for a dealer 21 so they would think I'm bringing bad luck. And I suggest that they make big bets and play multiple spots during negative counts.

I anyway wong in and out if I'm not playing heads up, which pisses off the ploppies.

There's a regular at Parx who recognizes me on sight and refuses to play at my table because she hates my wonging and ten splitting.

I feel bad by resorting to such antisocial tactics to increase my EV. The average ploppie goes to a casino to have a good time losing their money. During most of the times I play at Parx most of the people are gambling addicts (who else would be playing at 3AM on a weekday in middle of nowhere, PA). Of course the casino thrives off the degenerate gamblers much more than the casino loses to APs. I go there as often as many of the gambling addicts but in my case I'm destined to win indefinitely rather than lose everything. I just hate seeing other players get the tens and aces instead of me getting them or the dealer getting the tens to bust. I usually play third base so my bets would be more accurate with the count if I'm heads up.
If I'm playing at busy times like weekend nights when the table is going to be full I won't try to chase players off my table since it would be full all night. If it's the middle of the night and there are plenty of other tables that's when I go into full swing. If I'm playing alone for hours I prefer to keep it that way if I'm steadily winning. Having just one other player reduces the hands per hour by half but allows me to wong out, and 4 players would reduce the hands per hour/win rate by 75%. I can reach N0 in only 20 hours of heads up play (200 hands per hour)

If making some extra money is more important to you than being a gentleman (or lady), then by all means continue to be a jerk.

 

[DoctorBJ]

Guess What

I also play at Parx. If you do that with me at your table, you will discover that nothing you do will phase me whatsoever. None of those tactics will get me to leave your table if that is where I choose to be.

 

[vincent1288]

Wow lot of Parx player here, you guys are talking about Parx on Street Rd on Bensalem PA right?