I like ploppies who surrender.

[BJgenius007]

Some said other players' actions don't matter. But I disagree. For APs, important hands are those when true count is high. When true count is high, you want to preserve the high true count. You want to see other players surrender and only dealer take a card.

Today I had an interesting hand. Dealer's up card was ten. The ploppy had 16 so he asked the dealer the book said surrender 16 vs 10, right? The dealer told him if you hit, you got a chance. If you surrender, you will definitely lose. So the ploppy took a ten that eventually will lead to bust dealer's hand.

True count was high and I had almost max bet. Dealer know there were lots of tens so he encouraged the ploppy to take cards. Chance for ten card is high. Smart dealers know the only way to lower TC is to encourage ploppies taking extra cards. I know this particular dealer is a good counter because another dealer came to discuss the big "raid" tomorrow. Including the pit boss who talked to this dealer earlier, there are a group of casino employees going to Mountaineer casino tomorrow. They are excited and discuss who are better in counting and should be table leaders.

 

[1357111317]

Some said other players' actions don't matter. But I disagree. For APs, important hands are those when true count is high. When true count is high, you want to preserve the high true count. You want to see other players surrender and only dealer take a card.

Today I had an interesting hand. Dealer's up card was ten. The ploppy had 16 so he asked the dealer the book said surrender 16 vs A, right? The dealer told him if you hit, you got a chance. If you surrender, you will definitely lose. So the ploppy took a ten that eventually will lead to bust dealer's hand.

True count was high and I had almost max bet. Dealer know there were lots of tens so he encouraged the ploppy to take cards. Chance for ten card is high. Smart dealers know the only way to lower TC is to encourage ploppies taking extra cards. I know this particular dealer is a good counter because another dealer came to discuss the big "raid" tomorrow. Including the pit boss who talked to this dealer earlier, there are a group of casino employees going to Mountaineer casino tomorrow. They are excited and discuss who are better in counting and should be table leaders.

For the record, mathematically, the TC will never go up or down on average, only will the RC ever be "expected" to go up or down.

 

[Gamblor]

Ploppies are a shy and timid group. In general they believe let the dealer bust. So they don't like to hit 12 v 2,3, double/hit on A7/8, split 8's v 10. Even better they often don't hit on 16 v 7-A, etc., and are afraid of splitting.

Recently met a ploppy who would surrender ANY hand he had a chance of busting, 6 v 10, 12 v 8, 13 v 7. If only more ploppies were like him.

 

[Southpaw]

Some said other players' actions don't matter. But I disagree. For APs, important hands are those when true count is high. When true count is high, you want to preserve the high true count. You want to see other players surrender and only dealer take a card.

Today I had an interesting hand. Dealer's up card was ten. The ploppy had 16 so he asked the dealer the book said surrender 16 vs 10, right? The dealer told him if you hit, you got a chance. If you surrender, you will definitely lose. So the ploppy took a ten that eventually will lead to bust dealer's hand.

True count was high and I had almost max bet. Dealer know there were lots of tens so he encouraged the ploppy to take cards. Chance for ten card is high. Smart dealers know the only way to lower TC is to encourage ploppies taking extra cards. I know this particular dealer is a good counter because another dealer came to discuss the big "raid" tomorrow. Including the pit boss who talked to this dealer earlier, there are a group of casino employees going to Mountaineer casino tomorrow. They are excited and discuss who are better in counting and should be table leaders.

This post is full of (nonsensical) BJgeniusisms.

Spaw

 

[21forme]

nonsensical BJgeniusisms.

That's redundant.

 

[Southpaw]

That's redundant.

I fixed my post.

 

[21gunsalute]

For the record, mathematically, the TC will never go up or down on average, only will the RC ever be "expected" to go up or down.

The key here is "on average". The True Count certainly can and does vary wildly during any given shoe. Take the True count at various points, such as every half deck or every deck for several shoes. See how many times the TC remains constant throughout the shoe. Not very often from my experience. It may stay constant "on average" because it will soar off in one direction as often as it plummets in the other, so IMHO the TC Theorum is irrelevant to almost every situation where it is brought up in this forum. Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[tthree]

The divisor effect

I think he was referring to the moderating effect of the divisor as the number of decks to be played decrease. Overall the running count seeks out 0 as cards are played. But as cards are played the divisor decreases when calculating the TC. This helps to moderate the change in the true count as the RC decreases in magnitude.

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

True count was high and I had almost max bet. Dealer know there were lots of tens so he encouraged the ploppy to take cards. Chance for ten card is high. Smart dealers know the only way to lower TC is to encourage ploppies taking extra cards. I know this particular dealer is a good counter because another dealer came to discuss the big "raid" tomorrow. Including the pit boss who talked to this dealer earlier, there are a group of casino employees going to Mountaineer casino tomorrow. They are excited and discuss who are better in counting and should be table leaders.

You give the dealer to much credit. Most dealers barely know BS. They are just there earning a paycheck and nothing else. They could care less about getting the count down. The only thing they are thinking about is when the shift ends period. I find many of the people on this site are paranoid what's up with that ? Is it just their imagination ?

 

[tthree]

paranoid?

its not paranoid if they are out to get you

 

[21gunsalute]

I think he was referring to the moderating effect of the divisor as the number of decks to be played decrease. Overall the running count seeks out 0 as cards are played. But as cards are played the divisor decreases when calculating the TC. This helps to moderate the change in the true count as the RC decreases in magnitude.

No, I'm referring to the TC. Very rarely will it remain constant throughout the shoe. Very often the TC will be both positive and negative during the same shoe, and sometimes will fluctuate several times back and forth during the shoe. The TC does not seem to remain virtually constant during a shoe very often. It will on average (or so the theory goes anyway) because it will go off in one direction as often as it does the other, but this info is of little to no value because of the tremendous variance in the actual TCs as opposed to an average TC.

 

[psyduck]

Some said other players' actions don't matter. But I disagree. For APs, important hands are those when true count is high. When true count is high, you want to preserve the high true count. You want to see other players surrender and only dealer take a card.

Real ploppies surrender when the count is high or low because they do not know the count. I say in the long run they help and hurt you equally.

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

its not paranoid if they are out to get you

They are not out to get you. People here give them self to much credit. They all think they are BJ Einstein's. Only way to explain it is people being paranoid period.

 

[Eye of the Tiger]

Real ploppies surrender when the count is high or low because they do not know the count. I say in the long run they help and hurt you equally.

Most ploppies don't surrender at all. Their mind set is to hope for the best by hitting. Of all the places that I have ever played at which offer surrender it is hardly ever used by the players.

 

[tthree]

Slightly tongue in cheek

They are not out to get you. People here give them self to much credit. They all think they are BJ Einstein's. Only way to explain it is people being paranoid period.

That was an attempt at humor. Like all good humor it has some truth to it. They are out to get counters but the ones they get are usually pushing the envelope or playing in sweaty stores so they shouldnt be to surprised when it happens.

 

[tthree]

Surrender can save you from disaster

Most ploppies don't surrender at all. Their mind set is to hope for the best by hitting. Of all the places that I have ever played at which offer surrender it is hardly ever used by the players.

I am usually playing at a fairly full table. Usually maybe 1 or 2 others ever take advantage of surrender. A lot of the time its just me. The ones that do dont fit the ploppy profile most of the time. I do try to make sure the store I head to has surrender. Most in my area do.

You get that nightmare shoe where the count sky rockets and the dealer keeps showing a ten or ace and all you are getting are the stiffs, surrender cuts your losses almost in half. Just tell the ploppies its money management.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Some said other players' actions don't matter. But I disagree. For APs, important hands are those when true count is high. When true count is high, you want to preserve the high true count. You want to see other players surrender and only dealer take a card.

Today I had an interesting hand. Dealer's up card was ten. The ploppy had 16 so he asked the dealer the book said surrender 16 vs 10, right? The dealer told him if you hit, you got a chance. If you surrender, you will definitely lose. So the ploppy took a ten that eventually will lead to bust dealer's hand.

True count was high and I had almost max bet. Dealer know there were lots of tens so he encouraged the ploppy to take cards. Chance for ten card is high. Smart dealers know the only way to lower TC is to encourage ploppies taking extra cards. I know this particular dealer is a good counter because another dealer came to discuss the big "raid" tomorrow. Including the pit boss who talked to this dealer earlier, there are a group of casino employees going to Mountaineer casino tomorrow. They are excited and discuss who are better in counting and should be table leaders.

Why does the dealer care if the player wins or loses? People don't usually tip on losing hands...

 

[BJgenius007]

Why does the dealer care if the player wins or loses? People don't usually tip on losing hands...

Human have prejudice. And I am super sensitive. After sitting for 10 minutes, I can always tell if the dealer likes me or hate me. Or does he or she want me to have a small win or a big loss?

 

[Gamblor]

Real ploppies surrender when the count is high or low because they do not know the count. I say in the long run they help and hurt you equally.

I would say it helps you. We tend to wong out at negative counts, and your bets are bigger at higher counts.

 

[Gamblor]

I seriously doubt dealers would count. They have plenty of duties involved with dealing, keeping track of players/dealer totals, paying out, keeping track of player buy ins, talking with player etc., I seriously doubt many would be able to keep a count while doing this.

If they do exist, I imagine them to be in some sawdust sweaty casino in Vegas. Have never even remotely encountered a dealer who I suspected of doing this. Maybe the quiet ones who don't advise the players on the hands might, but from the advice they give out, the vast majority of dealers don't even know perfect BS.