I18 vs. all indices

jihan3

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I thought the concept for Don Schlesinger's Illustrious 18 was ingenious when I first learned about it.

I like the breakdown of each deviation by their percent contribution to the total gain of the I18 in Table 5.1 of Blackjack Attack. What I'd like to know is the percent contribution of the I18 versus utilizing all (165? 200?) indicies.

I could not find this key bit of information in the book (but I certainly could have overlooked it), nor have I found it online yet.
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
He mentions it quite a bit later:

"In multi-deck games, I have stated that the 'Illustrious 18' will garner almost 80% of all the gain available from learning the full set of indices associated with your system...For single deck, because of the increased importance of strategy variation, relative to bet spread, the '18' glean only perhaps 75% of the total win available..." (p.189-90)

He also mentions that learning another 30 on top of that would probably add another 5% to 10% of your win. In general, many indices are very rare and therefore not very helpful.

-Sonny-
 
Sonny said:
He mentions it quite a bit later:

"In multi-deck games, I have stated that the 'Illustrious 18' will garner almost 80% of all the gain available from learning the full set of indices associated with your system...For single deck, because of the increased importance of strategy variation, relative to bet spread, the '18' glean only perhaps 75% of the total win available..." (p.189-90)

He also mentions that learning another 30 on top of that would probably add another 5% to 10% of your win. In general, many indices are very rare and therefore not very helpful.

-Sonny-
I wonder how important the choice of count is in this matter. Using ace-neutral counts like the mighty HO2 makes non-I18 indices more powerful than a full ace-reckoning count, and a Zen count is in between the two. So perhaps if you are using ace-neutral studying uncommon indices is a better deal?
 

Sonny

Well-Known Member
Automatic Monkey said:
I wonder how important the choice of count is in this matter. Using ace-neutral counts like the mighty HO2 makes non-I18 indices more powerful than a full ace-reckoning count, and a Zen count is in between the two. So perhaps if you are using ace-neutral studying uncommon indices is a better deal?
That would affect things somewhat, but probably not very much. There are three elements that determine the “value” of an index:

1) Frequency - How often you are dealt that hand.
2) Gain - How much more (in percent) you will win by making the BS deviation.
3) Bet size - The amount of money on the table when you make the decision.

Using a large bet spread will cause certain indices to become more valuable. Even though their Gain (%) may be small, the amount of money you will win becomes larger. However, many indices are not very valuable because they are infrequent, offer little gain, or both.

For example, the hand 16 vs. 7 will occur less than once per 100 hands (about 0.0096). The TC for standing is +9, which occurs only about 0.61% of the time. That means that you will be making that play:

0.096 * 0.0061 = 0.0005856 = 1 in 17,008 hands

After about 170 hours of play you will have used that index only once. On the occasion that you did, it only earned you about 0.02% of your bet. If your max bet is $100 then you have just increased your EV by $2 for 170 hours of play, or roughly one penny per hour. :(

Even though the PE of an ace-neutral system will produce more Gain for these BS departures, the overall increase will probably not be much. With a small, or very large, bet spread you will begin to see changes in the Illustrious 18. Also, the frequencies of certain hands will change based on the number of decks used. However, many of the Ill18 (like the Big Three: Insurance, 16 vs. 10, 15 vs. 10) are simply too frequent and too profitable to be replaced.

But that doesn’t mean that other indices are not very valuable as well. The Illustrious 18 are simply the most valuable in most cases.

-Sonny-
 
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