Generally the Indians are much nicer than the corporations
callipygian said:
At corporate casinos recently? Or are all these incidents solely at Indian casinos or in the distant past?
I honestly have a hard time believing that publicly-traded corporations would be so bold, unless you're winning so much from the casino that a multimillion dollar lawsuit would actually be cheaper for the company than letting you win.
It is not the corporation itself. It is the power hungry idiots that are hired by the corporation. Caesars was not happy cutting a check to Russo and Grosjean but they probably saved money by doing so. Do not forget, this was fairly recent.
During the same approximate time period I was taken off a blackjack table at Harrah's during the early AM hours, marched to my room by a suit and two goons, pushed and threatened by one of the goons while in my room, forced to pack and then marched off the property while these guys cursed me and questions generations of my family background trying to bait me into something physical. My crime though was more severe than the crime of counting, I was holecarding, which means I was showing up their inferior management and training.
Nothing physical by MGM has refused to cash big chips won by unrated cardcounters as punishment. Gaming makes them eventually cash them but that takes about a month and since Gaming does not punish MGM for taking this action, they have no reason to stop.
The all time most ridiculous must have been the nickel token found at the MGM owned casino in Detroit by the 70+ grandmother which lead to her arrest.
In all, though the Indians can get away with much more because where Grosjean won a civil court judgement and got an out of court settlement, the Indians can sit back and say, "we will see you in tribal court.", the Indians seem to be friendlier than Vegas, at least in California but of course with exceptions.
You get screwed at Caesars, Imperial Palace or MGM but these are tourist places where weekly regulars are not numerous. It gets written up in the local Vegas paper which is not read by the people coming to these casinos in the next several weeks.
You get the same treatment at a California Indian casino and you let everyone you know about it. Some of these people will be regulars at this local casino or know regulars. It will be written up in your local newpaper where perhaps 50% of the casinos customers live. The Indians just do not want bad press.
So at least in many parts of California, I think Indian casinos are like locals casinos and public relations are more important to their management than strong arming some advantage player. I have been backed off, half shoed, shuffled up on, and told to flat bet at Indian casinos but nothing physical and any anger on their part was hidden. (Even the place that backed me off did not wipe off my comp dollars.) This does not mean that things like Fantasy Springs backrooming a counter will not happen, it happened, but I think there is more of a tendency for it to happen on the strip or downtown Vegas than at the Indian joints.
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