I'll Betcha This Black One?!

Stealth Bomber

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Anybody ever tried to work in a little side betting with the players on each side? For example: Dealer's showing an ace and some know-it-all ploppy says, "He's gotta have it this time, I'M TAKIN' INSURANCE!" so happens that the C is in the frigid zone. ......... I smell an opportunity! ;-) It's even more fun when you don't like the person. :cool:

"I'll betcha a 100 bucks he doesn't have it!" ........ Or if the T C is about 10 or better and then I'm saying the following: "I'll betcha a 100 bucks he has it!"

Only difficulty is that I just can't seem to bring myself to use this one on somebody I like.

Stealth
 

learning to count

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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Do you ever play. I dont recall seeing any trip reports from you. How about some meat and potato posts. Your theory posts are top notch but how about some in the trenches stuff.
 

Stealth Bomber

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Re: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!

Okay, okay. Yah, I play about 1 time per about every 2 weeks. Problem is I live to far from anywhere good. I'm 86 at the local. Thin ice at another. Can't say too much. Have some probs to work out. However, did travel last weekend some. All I found was 6D and bad pen. Played 30 hours for 3 days. Was ahead about $1200 but left at the end at 247 up. I know, I'm stupid to play a bad game. Couldn't believe how many times I had 2 big bets with awesome hands and the D pulls absolute miracles for the house. Totally f'ing unbelievable even for the fact that I have seen just about everything. Just wanted to play though. Anyway, need also to work out some issues in the personal life. Doesn't matter that I am making some money. Just not making enough to invest so many hours w/BJ and not in my stable business. Women can be tough on a world-class player ......in the making. Gonna have to have more balance or I'm gonna be out crusin for another lady. Gotta move too, otherwise I'm going to have to continue fighting to many huge battles. I should probably take a break from it 'til I move. My family thinks I'm compulsive. I show them wads of Ben Franklins. I'm 14k ahead to date this year. I feel I just need a little boost though to get me over the hump. Larger bankroll, precision math at the tables, personal life more balanced and better places to play.

I'll tell more when I can. Thanks all. This site helps me to keep my head on somewhat straight. Now I guess I'm getting computer compulsive too. A man just can do anything he wants anymore. :-(

Stealth
 

Rob McGarvey

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Control

You should WANT to control your WANTS and DESIRES. Like math protects over your bankroll, so too should you over yourself. Harmony of mind, body, soul, and bankroll. In the I Ching, the eagles foot clutches over her egg to protect it. See that picture, be that picture.

Won Lung Man
 

SammyBoy

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It's a great idea, but I have not figured out a way to do it without attracting too much attention. Since IMO most ploppies do not take insurance (except when they also have BJ) I think it would be easier in a high count to say "I have a really strong feeling that the dealer has BJ this time, do you mind if I insure your bet?" But I would not do it more than a few times and would also not do it if the pit is watching.
 

Rob McGarvey

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That works, but the big edge is elseware. Like DD and SP for high limit tables where certain players are afraid to DD or SP. Don't bet against any player at the table. I think that is actually against the law. There is no law that says they have to pay you if you win. Make sure you both understand what will happen when you DD and SP with them. Those have been my biggest AP's in a casino so far. Besides finding a blackie on the black part of the carpet. ;>
 

Stealth Bomber

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Re: I'll Betcha This RED One?!

I usually suck 'em in little by little. i.e. "Betcha this red one the D doesn't have it!" If the D somehow has it with the negitive C, great! the other guy just got your 5 bucks. Now your set up for the kill on all the future opportunities for bigger $. ;-)
Stealth
 

Rob McGarvey

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Re: I'll Betcha This RED One?!

Or the big reneg after he has won 50 or so from you already. Careful here. The casino will not take kindly to you guys starting your own P2P betting up in front of them, and will not give a flip about a reneg'd bet. Place all bets against the house. THEY are your enemy. If you like eating peoples livers go jump into a game of poker where everyone has sharks teeth. The house doesn't care there since they get your ante. Then you can bet who has what for a hole card.
 

Victoria

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Player vs player, blackjack blackmail

Sorry if this gets a little long.
About 1 1/2 years ago I was at my favorite vegas place, on a $25 table and noticed that they were giving just about all their $5 tables a fill of yellow, $1,000 chips. They have this player, loud beer drinking big guy who won a lottery or something and had a credit line of a couple million. He likes playing the $5 table and the house takes the limit signs off for him. He also constantly bounces from table to table, leaving chips behind, taking markets at every table, tips sometimes in the thousands per hand, drives the pit boss crazy and according to the dealers is the most beloved person in the universe. The guy was a real show, moving around, hitting hard 17 against a dealer 8, getting pissed at the dealer so he bets $100 for himself and $1,000 for the dealer and challenges her to give him a stiff now. He goes to the men's room comes back and yells as loud as he can to the pit boss, "where was I playing?"
A dealer friend of mine told me that when he showed up (about twice a year), her mortgage was handled for the next few months.
He was not at my table but having a tough night I decided that I should go for some entertainment and moved to a $5 table hoping he would show up there. He did. He also likes to place money under your bet if he thinks your lucky. I had a $50 bet out and he places $5,000 under it looking at me and asking if it is alright. Don't you know, I get a pair 9's, dealer has an 8, count, well with that guy I had lost the count a few hands earlier. Then it hits me, pressure based upon his bet. I ask him if he wants to split and he says, "do whatever the hell you want." so I do and thankfully we win but that is not the real player ultimate.
A woman at the table with a ten dollar bet of her own and about $10,000 of his money under it, gets blackjack. She tells him to pay her $1,000 or she will double down and he is mad. The pit boss is right there (the boss ignored any table this guy was not at understandably}, and flat out told him that it is the woman's hand and she has a right to play it any way she wanted. He paid her, she left, he continued on and still put money under people's bets.
My understanding was that he lost something near 900,000 and more than 25% of it was tokes.
I only go to vegas two or three times a year but doubt I will ever see a show like that again.
I guess I should ask if anyone else ever saw a case of blackjack blackmail
 

eyesfor21

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Re: Player vs player, blackjack blackmail

Yes he was at the shoe last week and was playing crazy
alright,which is grand for the real players. He
won the lottery and is a gambling fiend.

Another chap was going from 25 to 1000,then 500 then 100 allover
the place nice to see this kind of action
 

Rob McGarvey

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Re: Player vs player, blackjack blackmail

Thanks Vic. That is a sad tale to say the least. You do wish that you could step in to help a guy like that. Imagine getting him to play the same way without the big tokes and foolishness, playing Hi Opt II with full indexes locked and loaded. I've seen similar at the Horseshoe with a roaring drunk that seems to pop in there from time to time. They let him play and he does pretty well. The give him a room when he passes out and he starts again the next afternoon.
 
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